Too much politics , too little space

[Endless Rain]

It appears you are in the presence of the 1% of people that liked episode 1-3 of Star Wars for the politics

I like politics and am probably the target audience for the prequel trilogy, but even I thought the politics in Star Wars Episode One and Episode Two were badly written and badly explained. I doubt that even actual politicians would be able to make any sense of the politics in those movies.

I did enjoy Episode Three a lot, mainly because the writers figured out how to write politics in a way that actually makes sense. I'm also almost halfway through the Clone Wars TV show, and so far it is incredibly well written. The Clone Wars TV show is basically what Episode One and Two should have been.

 

[Surimi]

I like politics and am probably the target audience for the prequel trilogy, but even I thought the politics in Star Wars Episode One and Episode Two were badly written and badly explained. I doubt that even actual politicians would be able to make any sense of the politics in those movies.

I think when people say they don't like the politics in the Star Wars prequels, what they're really saying is that they don't like the Star Wars prequels. There is not "more politics" in the Star Wars prequels than in the original trilogy. What there is is more stale, static scenes of characters sitting in a room and talking to each other in awful, crappy dialogue with a window behind them showing some literal CGI window dressing to try and take away from the fact that the whole thing is shot on 3 cameras and assembled in post like a soap opera.

Seriously, the Star Wars prequels are just bad movies. The people who like them don't like them for the politics, they like them because they have bad taste in movies, or because they think having a contrary opinion makes them more interesting.. or more charitably, because they liked particular themes or visual imagery or something which was able to take them out of how awful the finished product was.

You're right though. Episode 3 was definitely the best.

Anyway.. Stellaris.

Things I want:

1) More detailed/interesting politics.
2) More roleplaying options and general flavour for Empires.
3) A bigger/more diverse tech tree with more connection to other systems (like ethos/government).
4) Stronger sector AI so I don't feel like I need more control.

Things I actively don't want:

1) More control/micro

I'm very happy with the way development is going.

 

[Dalinski]

Lol, well I love all of it. In fact lets charge up a Rogue One idea

 

[Knightroglycerine]

More politics is the ONLY thing I want in this game right now

 

[Dalinski]

I think when people say they don't like the politics in the Star Wars prequels, what they're really saying is that they don't like the Star Wars prequels. There is not "more politics" in the Star Wars prequels than in the original trilogy. What there is is more stale, static scenes of characters sitting in a room and talking to each other in awful, crappy dialogue with a window behind them showing some literal CGI window dressing to try and take away from the fact that the whole thing is shot on 3 cameras and assembled in post like a soap opera.

Seriously, the Star Wars prequels are just bad movies. The people who like them don't like them for the politics, they like them because they have bad taste in movies, or because they think having a contrary opinion makes them more interesting.. or more charitably, because they liked particular themes or visual imagery or something which was able to take them out of how awful the finished product was..

I am curious though, given that I have bad taste in movies, what 10 scenes in episode 1 and 2 stand out to you as being the main culprits?

 

[Rashie]

It appears you are in the presence of the 1% of people that liked episode 1-3 of Star Wars for the politics

EP3 is somewhat ok, but Ep1 and Ep2 is just awful regardless of whether someone likes politics in their entertainment or not. 2 especially is pretty horrible for that whole puppy love Anakin has going on.

Thankfully they did TCW later on, especially it's later seasons, and we got an Anakin that's actually good.

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

I am curious though, given that I have bad taste in movies, what 10 scenes in episode 1 and 2 stand out to you as being the main culprits?

I recommend the RedLetterMedia "Plinket Reviews" of Episodes 1, 2, and 3 for an excellent and in-depth look at why the prequels are objectively bad films- as in, poorly constructed.

 

[Dalinski]

Unconvincing. How about you convince though by answering my original question.

 

[BlackUmbrellas]

Unconvincing. How about you convince though by answering my original question.

Uh, excuse me?

You wanted people to provide you with examples of bad scenes in the movies- I informed you of a series of reviews that extensively and exhaustively deconstruct them and provide hours worth of examples of bad scenes.

I'm not forcing you to watch it- but if you legitimately want to understand why people think they're bad movies, why wouldn't you?

 

[wthree]

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Things I actively don't want:

1) More control/micro

I'm very happy with the way development is going.

To be honest, a major gripe I have is actually how much micro we already have. Even with sectors it gets tiresome clicking upgrade on a whole series of buildings throughout the game.

So much so that it almost feels most of the game is just upgrading buildings.

I wouldn't mind an auto-upgrade system, or just upgrading the main center.

The building planning however, I like, it's managing them afterwards.

 

[hironolind]

So much so that it almost feels most of the game is just upgrading buildings.

I wouldn't mind an auto-upgrade system, or just upgrading the main center.

The building planning however, I like, it's managing them afterwards.

The frequency that planets require attention for non-decisions is what bothers me, I'd prefer things were more abstracted, perhaps even working at the solar system level.
To compare to CK2, while I maybe have 20-30 holdings, the income/cost ratio means I'm not constantly focusing on them.

 

[Azhcristokos]

Not to be a jerk OP, but you're speaking for yourself. Plenty of Paradox fans want more in-depth internal politics, for factions to have a purpose, more meaningful ethics, and the ability for your empire's ethics to change. Stuff like this has been visible on the forums since release, though largely crowded out by raging against sectors.

 

[dskod1]

Everyone talking about the star wars movies, please read the first post and keep on topic.

If you wish to discuss the star wars movies then please head to the off topic forum.

Thanks,
Dylan

 

[Jularbo Kizn]

I want

The external diplomacy to be as deep as EU4
The internal empire management gameplay to be as deep as Hoi4
The Characters such as leaders to be as deep as in CK2
The Economy to be as deep as Victoria 2
The ground combat to like CK2 or Hoi4

And I know that is asking too much, but I can still dream

 

[Elothan]

I want

The external diplomacy to be as deep as EU4
The internal empire management gameplay to be as deep as Hoi4
The Characters such as leaders to be as deep as in CK2
The Economy to be as deep as Victoria 2
The ground combat to like CK2 or Hoi4

And I know that is asking too much, but I can still dream

That sounds like quite the complex game
I would rather see elements from each one in Stellaris (exept the ground combat, it would take me hours to conquer a single planet)

 

[Barnham]

It appears you are in the presence of the 1% of people that liked episode 1-3 of Star Wars for the politics

If there was anything remotely redeeming about those movies, it must have been the politics.

Really though, OP, you should know that your opinions arent necissarily the opinions of others. If you find yourself to be in positions to speak for others often, you might consider whether or not your thoughts are reflective of theirs.