Too Much Genius?

[Arokel]

Ignoring the rest of the thread, there are already some intensive studies done by players onto the genetics and i think it more or less conclusively proved that it was just a percentage chance and had nothing to do with careful breeding.
So it was just as likely to get a genius from 2 imbeciles as 2 geniuses....
However with patch 1.08 (and maybe 1.07 i forget) they seem to have increased these percentages based on the parents traits however i don't think it carries over in the DNA files to grandchildren etc as they only cover visual portraits.

Previously I don't think Paradox ever came out to confirm or deny any of this preferring not to crush the spirit of those who to liked to try breeding the ultimate ruler but even i have noticed the increased likelihood of parents passing on the traits. Is it too easy? Without elective probably not, a fair amount of first born etc aren't the ones that get the best stats but people can play how they want.

I have noticed that the genius children of genius parents seem to be the middle children. Sometimes later children but mostly middle.

 

[Gunnarr]

This thread is disgusting. "Blah blah blah, I am holier than these peasants who might be playing a demo version or on a sibling's computer or GOD FORBID have pirated something once like everyone in the world. The number of icons under my user name is indicative of the size of my genitals, blah blah blah."

well, I have never pirated anything in my life!!

wait a second...

if i listened to a piece of music by Arvo Part on youtube, and it was later deleted, perhaps for copyright infringement... oh no I AM A PIRATE :sad: (PS, Paradox needs to add a "crying" smiley)

 

[Darkgamma]

Ignoring the rest of the thread, there are already some intensive studies done by players onto the genetics and i think it more or less conclusively proved that it was just a percentage chance and had nothing to do with careful breeding.
So it was just as likely to get a genius from 2 imbeciles as 2 geniuses....
However with patch 1.08 (and maybe 1.07 i forget) they seem to have increased these percentages based on the parents traits however i don't think it carries over in the DNA files to grandchildren etc as they only cover visual portraits.

*groan*
Careful breeding does indeed have to do with the traits now. You are definitely not as likely to get a genius from two imbeciles as from two geniuses (and you never were) - I don't get it why people mix CK2 DNA and CK2 genetics because which trait you get is almost always predetermined by the traits you actually have. Two geniuses have 37.5% chance of having a genius child, probably a tiny bit more since geniuses can randomly pop up. This 37.5% chance is determined by the inherit_chance of the traits, nothing else. Traits now primarily depend on inherit_chance. DNA has nothing to do with it and it totally seperate from the point of the discussion.

 

[mudcrabmerchant]

As far as I can tell, it seems like the genius trait represents MENSA type geniuses (basically just really high IQ/general intellectual aptitude) rather than Einstein type once-every-century geniuses.

And IQ is largely hereditary. I'd like to see the imbecile to genius scale have more correlation with genetics/heredity

EDIT: As to the registration thing, really, there are many valid reasons why someone would not register, and taking this holier-than-though-crusader-against-piracy attitude is just going to put people off, and make them less likely to register just to spite you. I know that was my first instinct after reading some of the posts in this thread.

 

[Chyll]

The data mine is totally irrelevant now. DNA does not contain any trait information, it's only concerned with the looks.

Edit: And the thread also mentions that DNA didn't matter, even back in July.

Yes, and that was mentioned more than once already when citing the data mine.

The indication was the the mix of traits - good and bad - appeared to be affecting the chances of inheritance when the data mine was performed. The experiment has not been repeated (afaik) to see what actual changed to the chances as a result on later patches. So the point was, are we sure it is random now? What facts do we have to support that contention?


I can anecdotally observe that a couple of generations after introducing some quick, strong blood to my current game it is swimming in slow, club-footed, hunchbacks... and I think there is something less than random going on, but that doesn't do anyone any good (here or in my dynasty).

 

[Darkgamma]

It's not random for the most part. The negative traits are partially random but conditioned by your good traits, the good traits are inherited from parents based on a fixed chance etc etc

 

[Ravenous.BE]

I have bred a perfect dynasty once.
Kept marrying geniuses in the family, almost all my children became geniuses after a period of time. All my rulers were geniuses.

It was glorious.

 

[Achab]

Yesterday I finally managed to bred a Strong Genius .. monumental

 

[Beagá]

He can be dead in two years, don´t gloat :glare:

I think traits are well balanced nowadays, specially if the player follows house rules (like no marrying to completely absurd cultures or religions).

 

[Malibu Stacey]

I have bred a perfect dynasty once.
Kept marrying geniuses in the family, almost all my children became geniuses after a period of time. All my rulers were geniuses.

It was glorious.

Now try getting Strong and/or Attractive into the mix.