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I'm not entirely sure, but I think the reason is the way the game's DNA system works. Inbreeding is supposed to increase the likelihood of bad traits appearing, because of similar genes (if I recall correctly, the save files show 10 genes per person, 5 from the mother and 5 taken from the father). However, people with similar traits have similar genes, so attempting to breed entirely unrelated but similar people will still be treated as inbreeding.

That's quite interesting actually. The genetic system is really well developed (and getting moreso with every facepack!)
 

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Kimberly, it's made up of two disjointed things - the inheritance argument and the registration; so it's not non-sequitur but rather an infix.

I'm not sure it's possible for one to be more smug and more wrong at the same time. It's astounding, really. I sincerely hope English is not your main language.
 

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So, if I get this right you're basically guilty, or at least suspected of being a pirate, until you prove your innocence. Lovely. Kinda makes me wish I hadn't registered it.

Nobody throws accustions around, and if someone shows up with game questions and no registration, his/her questions still get answered, plus a polite request is made that the user registers the game. If the person responds dismissively or agressively to this request, well yes, people tend to start feeling unwilling to further answer the unregistered user's questions. Also nobody ever makes outright accusations of piracy (that may even be a breach of the TOS), but you can guess that if someone resists the requests to register the game while asking if someone can upload the latest version of CK2+ to mediafire and share the link, thats obviously whats going through people's heads when they tell him no (besides, *that* I know is TOS forbidden).

Overall, the forum is made by nice people for nice people. Theres no fascist agenda here so dont look for one with "guilty until proven innocent" labels. We simply ask people to please register their games so we know for sure we're all talking among responsible customers and prospective fans, theres no pleadge or oath or anything. If I may share my personal experience, when I first came here I started asking question and when someone gave input and asked me to register my game, I answered I was on my ipad so I didnt have the code in hand, but would do so. Nodoby took me to task or made accusations and the conversation went on as ever. Now, if 1 week later I came back with more questions and still no registered game, plus an attitude that said "I dont wanna register, just answer the question and get off my hair", well, could you really blame the other users for not wanting to answer?
 

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I generally lurk.
And the registration discussion pops up occasionally.

When, and if, it is:

...a polite request is made that the user registers the game.

It is all good.


But, when it is instead something like this:
First of all, register your game.
which I find to be neither polite nor a request, I am perfectly understanding of hackles being raised in response.

This is neither here nor there, however.

There are several threads discussing inheritance and the propensity for club-footed dwarves to pop up in families where it was pushed to hard for geniuses.
 

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I'm not sure it's possible for one to be more smug and more wrong at the same time. It's astounding, really. I sincerely hope English is not your main language.

Let me then say three things:
1) Infixation is (per name) inserting certain things into others.
2) Disjointment in my post is very much obvious, as I have started with inhertance, then disjointedly infixated the thing about registration, after which I continued with inheritance.
3) You don't seem to quite grasp certain reading skills.

The CK2 Wiki seems to think you are mistaken, and there is a relationship between DNA & congenital traits. My personal observation seems to concur, characters with Genius seem to be more likely to have Genius children than those without. I suspect that the DNA patterns for negative traits are close to those for positive traits, making it more likely to get extremes.

Thing is, you're describing something else. Indeed, it's eleven-letter DNA but only ten letters matter. You're describing inheritance chance, which is coded on a per-trait basis. I did say that genetic overlap leads to bad traits (specifically, the inbred one), but genetic overlap doesn't go beyond that. Inheritance chance (specifically coded as "inherit_chance") gives you a percentage chance of your child inheriting one of your traits marked with it. DNA is only concerned with appearance and inbreeding.
 

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I, too, kind of felt as if the game was "punishing" me with dwarfs and club-foots whenever I was trying to go after genius offspring, so I threw the idea overboard and instead started to focus on finding wives that give me a bonus on stats my rules was inept at, especially stewardship (you can never have too much stewardship if you ask me). Negative traits seem to be astonishingly persistent, though. I have witnessed the king of Greece to be a dwarf for multiple generations in one game ...

A (somewhat) related question: Is it just me or did Paradox tweak the way children receive their profession trait with the release of patch 1.08? Before, I took note of children that didn't receive the same trait at the same level as their ward. Now, I am overly joyful if my son actually manages to turn out a Grey Eminence. More often that not, it seems, children will lose a level or two compared to the ward.

Well, maybe my children just have some learning issue, though ... ;)
 

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Let me then say three things:
1) Infixation is (per name) inserting certain things into others.
2) Disjointment in my post is very much obvious, as I have started with inhertance, then disjointedly infixated the thing about registration, after which I continued with inheritance.
3) You don't seem to quite grasp certain reading skills.

Because you included it in your "First of all..." construction, it is expected that what is said will refer to the topic at hand--it's not separate, like a digression would be. That makes it a non sequitur, a term here meaning "a statement having little or no relevance to what preceded it." Now, you call it an infix rather than a digression, and by its nature an infix is not separate from the main body (unlike a digression). Whatever you want to call it, though, inserting irrelevant things into passages about the main topic is poor writing.
 

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I am very much aware of what "non sequitur" means, TYVM.
"First of all" does not imply that anything said with it is going to be connected with anything else, but that it preceeds the things which aren't first of all. In this case I meant "First of all (the things I'll say)", which would make sense.
It might be poor writing, I don't care, but you're attacking style over substance, which is fallacy by itself. Now, take to reading the substance rather than judging the style; you really should register your game.
 

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So, if I get this right you're basically guilty, or at least suspected of being a pirate, until you prove your innocence. Lovely. Kinda makes me wish I hadn't registered it.

For me that is the case and the reasons are:

1. It is easy to register a game and takes something like 10 seconds, not doing it is either unbelievably lazy or 'shady'.

2. Piracy is unfortuneatly a very real and big problem in the gaming industry and since it weakens paradox and other companies I do my utmost not to support it in any way even if it means not helping people mentioned in 'reason 1'.

Just realized my whole post is somewhat of topic so to give my opinion on the thread topic: No I don´t think the genius trait is to common or 'easy to breed.'
 

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The wow forums are that way -------->. Please lets not turn these useful forums into the wow forums!! There are very few decent that alone good and useful forums left on the interweb. Lets all hug, hold hands and sing the praises of Paradox and their fun games.
 

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Because you included it in your "First of all..." construction, it is expected that what is said will refer to the topic at hand--it's not separate, like a digression would be. That makes it a non sequitur, a term here meaning "a statement having little or no relevance to what preceded it." Now, you call it an infix rather than a digression, and by its nature an infix is not separate from the main body (unlike a digression). Whatever you want to call it, though, inserting irrelevant things into passages about the main topic is poor writing.

I don't understand how this is a non sequitur, as he didn't seem to have included any premises (and thus no logical rationale) for the statement.
 

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Just realized my whole post is somewhat of topic so to give my opinion on the thread topic: No I don´t think the genius trait is to common or 'easy to breed.'

This being exacly why I abstained from discussing the subject further. Kimberly, you are very much invited to register your game in order to have a good interaction with the rest of the community. Everyone else, this is actually a nice topic and something I, personally, have been interested in for a while, so Id love to hear more people's experiences on this matter rather than get the topic closed, so I say drop the sequitur talk.
 

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A (somewhat) related question: Is it just me or did Paradox tweak the way children receive their profession trait with the release of patch 1.08? Before, I took note of children that didn't receive the same trait at the same level as their ward. Now, I am overly joyful if my son actually manages to turn out a Grey Eminence. More often that not, it seems, children will lose a level or two compared to the ward.

Well, maybe my children just have some learning issue, though ... ;)

I'm having the exact opposite issue. I am drowning in grey eminence.
 

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As I said, DNA has absolutely nothing at all to do with the distribution of any trait except "Inbred". Everything else is either random (randomly picked trait or randomly picked opposite trait (so that two slow weaklings can make a strong genius, but extremely rarely)) or decided by the traits itself (further randomness, but more in check)
 

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I'm having the exact opposite issue. I am drowning in grey eminence.

So it is my stupid children. I knew the report cards had to be forged ... ;)

Is that after educating them yourself, or do you tend to send them to somebody else? Pre-patch I kept my heir and as many other important youths in the realm close, but recently my ruler was too unfit to be entrusted with educating anybody. Well, at least anybody I was fond of.
 

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It is to hard to train the top 3, what I do is train my best 2, and get the 3rd to the best in my court. To be fair, after trying this breeding program, : ), you can do fine w/o genius or MT. As long as you can raid good council members!! Still it is kewl when you train an MT Genius!! So I keep trying for perfection!! It can also be fun to try and get really bad rulers and try and survive their leadership, well baring an imbecile!! :)
 

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It is to hard to train the top 3, what I do is train my best 2, and get the 3rd to the best in my court. To be fair, after trying this breeding program, : ), you can do fine w/o genius or MT. As long as you can raid good council members!! Still it is kewl when you train an MT Genius!! So I keep trying for perfection!! It can also be fun to try and get really bad rulers and try and survive their leadership, well baring an imbecile!! :)

If you like the challenge of playing as somebody incompetent every now and then, you should try seniority succession. I switched to that in order to unite the Rurikovichs' holdings in Russia and am currently struggling to fend of the Cumans' advances into my territory with a very sub-par King of Rus. Seniority not only makes it hard to predict who will ultimately inherit your titles, since the current heir may very well die before you, you also have very little chance to make sure he is educated properly - again since you don't really know who will follow you on your throne. :unsure:

It does, however, give you a great way to consolidate a lot of territory if you have many landed relatives.
 

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Once I tried breeding geniuses and it worked pretty well... I never failed to have a genius heir with 2 genius parents (elective of course) for over 2 hundred years. I abandoned the game due to a patch upgrade but I think it works the same now...
 

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I don't understand how this is a non sequitur, as he didn't seem to have included any premises (and thus no logical rationale) for the statement.

You are correct, in terms of logic this would not be an example of a non sequitur. However, I used it in a more general context. I anticipated people reading it that way, and hence cited the definition "a statement having little or no relevance to what preceded it", which is how I intended it. I do believe I may have brought us all a bit off-topic, though.
 

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Once I tried breeding geniuses and it worked pretty well... I never failed to have a genius heir with 2 genius parents (elective of course) for over 2 hundred years. I abandoned the game due to a patch upgrade but I think it works the same now...

I believe that they actually put in the possibility for two geniuses to be likely to breed an imbecile, or a dwarf, etc, in one of the patches.