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liamgamer55

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Yep. I've no issue with the complaint which makes sense but the title...
This happens every game so it is a usual issue. I don't understand what the issue is with it.
 

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Culture and ethnicity are two separate things. I believe ingame there's culture (that determines who dislikes you for being a foreigner), graphical culture (that determines clothes) and also ethnicity or whatever it's called ingame that determines whether the character is european/arab/black/mongol.
That is not true, there are 2 things, culture and graphical culture; culture is what language they speak, what clothes they wear and what affects the relations with vassals, graphical culture is what affects what race(like Northern European, Southern European, Arab, Mongol and African) a character is.
 

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Thanks, I'll edit my original post.
 

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*Sigh*

There's always one who has to stumble into the thread...

Lol, I was watching this thread just waiting for this to explode. Threads like these can provide mountains of entertainment value.

Also, props to the guy who had the balls to post the picture of a Klan member. Hilarious.

Seriously though, I don't understand the problem. There are too many black advisors from africa? Are you using a mod? I don't get black characters unless I enable CK2+ and the BLC mod. Otherwise I just get the Arabs and White europeans. Even so, whats the problem with having black advisors available? Unless 50% or more of your court is made up of them, it doesn't seem like an issue.

On an unrelated note, this reminds of a recent game I played in CK2+ where I had tons of jewish characters. Man, they made great stewards...and I couldn't help but wonder after awhile if that was racial stereotyping :p
 

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I agree the poster who said it is normal that the Black cultures/characters die out too often in games. This is issue particularly with the Ethiopians (due to Fatimids politically invading and eventually culturally replacing them) but sometimes this happens in Mali, too. Sometimes it's the Almoravids or other Moors but usually Castille/Léon, France or HRE who ends up conquering Mali and gradually replacing the Black cultures there.



Usually it leads to exiled Black courtiers in Christian Europe which is totally plausible to me. I guess that was the complaint of the OP. It shouldn't be a problem even if you are a racist, because the African features will usually die out in a few generations.



I try usually marry the exiled courtiers and educate them in my culture and eventually give them land. It's fun to see for example the Zagwes or Godwinsons survive this way. In my current game as Count-of-Vannes-turned-King-of-Britanny I had a short Norwegian adventure which resulted in my court having a random Yngling. I married him to a black court lady I found in Ethiopian hinterlands. The result in 100 years: I have the most loyal Breton duke of Berry who is spreading the Breton culture in the heart of France. Whose name is Yngling. Who is Black. :D Only recently that line has turned white. The reason they remained Black for decades was just pure luck, I guess, because there was no injection of African genes in the ducal line. Some of the ducal children were looking like Middle Eastern but the eldest child got always the African looks...
 

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nevermind
 

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IMO the main issue with this is that half of Ethiopia gets exiled to Europe after being conquered by Egypt (which shouldn't happen, or at least not as early).
 

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i view this more as a "Etheopia gets wrecked 9 games out of ten" than anything else.
 

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i view this more as a "Etheopia gets wrecked 9 games out of ten" than anything else.

East African states would survive much longer if Egypt didn't have unhistorical urge to attack against Nubia ASAP. Historically Makuria and Fatimid Egypt were close friends, but in game it can take several attempts to survive even the year 1066 without Egyptian attack. Attack reduces Nubia to OPM which is quickly conquered by Axum. And after Nubia is conquered then Muslims will destroy the rest.
 
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That is not true, there are 2 things, culture and graphical culture; culture is what language they speak, what clothes they wear and what affects the relations with vassals, graphical culture is what affects what race(like Northern European, Southern European, Arab, Mongol and African) a character is.

No, you can get white people in Arab dress or Mande facial tatoos. Or black people wearing the robes and cloaks of Europe.
 

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That is not true, there are 2 things, culture and graphical culture; culture is what language they speak, what clothes they wear and what affects the relations with vassals, graphical culture is what affects what race(like Northern European, Southern European, Arab, Mongol and African) a character is.

No, you can get white people in Arab dress or Mande facial tatoos. Or black people wearing the robes and cloaks of Europe.

Isn't that exactly what the Panda said?

Culture affects gameplay and clothes etc, while graphical culture affects look.