[TOG] Nerfing Norse - petition

[CzokletMuss]

So you want to nerf the Norse because one pagan religion is too weak to fight everyone else? How does that make sense? It's not just the Norse wiping them out.

I want to nerf them because they are OP, which in particular causes the Romuva to disapper in a few decades.
Norse can farm gold and prestige like nobody else, blocking CB on eastern Europe won't make them really weaker - if you play as one of them you can still conquer the world and the pagans too (claims from concubine). Let's just make it very hard for AI due to historical reasons, shall we?

If you seriously think they don't deserve a nerf, look at this:

 

[Sopot]

If you seriously think they don't deserve a nerf, look at this:

You can post all the little pictures you want, it wont change the fact that every single play through will always be different for everyone, even if they make the exact same choices every time. So in someones game, Romuva has wiped out the Norse, but that doesn't mean Romuva need nerfed.

Yes there needs to be some ballance, but that ballance isn't completely changing one religion, why not instead buff the ones that need it?

 

[CzokletMuss]

So in someones game, Romuva has wiped out the Norse, but that doesn't mean Romuva need nerfed.

Sure they did, after they subjogated the Abbasid empire. These petty Norse have no chance when fighting hordes of Romuva warriors!

I'm showing examples. Every single game is different but based on the same rules which favour Norse and cause mayhem in eastern Europe. I proposed both nerfing and some boost to defensive religions in my first post, you should read it.

 

[Sopot]

you should read it.

I read it, nerf nerf nerf. All I'm saying is, buff buff buff. It's a far better thing to do since it wont completely change the game as it is. Nerfing is a terrible way to deal with things, especially since the game has only been out a few days and we don't know what bugs might be affecting the outcome of the games. So, why not just buff these weedy little girly men if they need it?

 

[Kainser]

I want to nerf them because they are OP, which in particular causes the Romuva to disapper in a few decades.
Norse can farm gold and prestige like nobody else, blocking CB on eastern Europe won't make them really weaker - if you play as one of them you can still conquer the world and the pagans too (claims from concubine). Let's just make it very hard for AI due to historical reasons, shall we?

If you seriously think they don't deserve a nerf, look at this:

Look, I too can post anecdotal images.

 

[CzokletMuss]

They are from 1450 so I don't see how they are relevant to images from 11th or 10th century.

 

[Sopot]

They are from 1450 so I don't see how they are relevant to images from 11th or 10th century.

Actually, they are more relevant since those are hands off play throughs, meaning he has done nothing to affect the game what so ever, you pics show that your have clearing been playing.

 

[WeissRaben]

Look, I too can post anecdotal images.

Yeah...no. He showed you one game in which Erik the Heather unified Scandinavia in 36 years and you counter with pics of 1450.

On the other hand, players showing THEIR game have the same value as a cardboard 1 million dollars bill. Let's see handsoff! I've seen Romuva wiped out by at most 1000 every single time - which ISN'T good! Because they did not, and not with difficulties, so you can't say it was a crapshot. And if it was, it should happen from time to time...but it doesn't. So the Norse ARE too powerful.

 

[CzokletMuss]

Actually, they are more relevant since those are hands off play throughs, meaning he has done nothing to affect the game what so ever, you pics show that your have clearing been playing.

I'm posting this once again specially for you:

See? I'm playing Persia - the result is the same because the cause is the same. Ridiculously OP Norse.

 

[Sopot]

I'm posting this once again specially for you:

Thanks, that is so sweet of you.

See? I'm playing Persia - the result is the same because the cause is the same. Ridiculously OP Norse.

You are still playing the game, which affects the over all out come of the game more than if the AI goes on it's merry way.

 

[GamingHUD]

They are from 1450 so I don't see how they are relevant to images from 11th or 10th century.

Look at the first image. It shows Romuva surviving even until that year.

 

[Teutonizer]

Norse are fine. If anything needs to be nerfed right now it's Hungary. In all 3 games I've played so far they looks like the Mongols

Yes, last time I saw them with Hungary itself, pechenegs and cumans (as they in 1066 start), and full balkans, they reform tengri btw, and this...is only after 20 years after start

 

[panther-anthro]

Czoklet, as soon as you hit play the game diverts from history. I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't won't it to be impossible to attack Romuva heathens just because you think they should stay alive the entire game.

Agreed, Norse are out of hand with random invading things once they hit kingdom level.

 

[Velorian]

Actually, they are more relevant since those are hands off play throughs, meaning he has done nothing to affect the game what so ever, you pics show that your have clearing been playing.

Wait, the Tengri one was hands-off??? That's... Interesting. Really?

 

[kvk]

I agree about the huge amount of prestige and gold gained, I would maybe half the prestige and make it so counties don't regenerate so fast, but I haven't played over 30 years yet so I don't really know if thats the right thing to do, and btw can anyone here explain to me why I as a norse pagan can't raid other norse pagans?

 

[AndreasPhokas]

the only issue I see is finland and the Baltic states being overwhelmed very quickly.

 

[unmerged(416135)]

You people are anti-Norsenite. If Anti-Semite is a bad thing, so is anti-Norsenite. Ban Ban Ban. Millions of Norse died during the Christian's genocide of the North.

 

[kvk]

hasn't it always been like that? with sweden and denmark taking pieces of the baltic states and finland, I mean I remember it as quite common even in the 1066 start?

 

[Kljunas]

hasn't it always been like that? with sweden and denmark taking pieces of the baltic states and finland, I mean I remember it as quite common even in the 1066 start?

Yes, but it was because of totally different reasons (Scandinavian Catholics holy-warring everything in sight). Now 1066 is apparently more balanced for northern pagans (I haven't tried it yet though) but Norse invaders are the new problem.

 

[unmerged(358109)]

the point isnt to nerf norse, as it would make the norse become extinct even faster ( and they do already most of the time by the end of the timeline). but a way to prevent the norse to overrun all the other pagans early in the game.

by following the OP's thinking, you'd break the norse and fix the other pagans.. which really is just throwing the ball over to another. instead of getting ride of it.