That makes sense.
As long as you don't play as the Jimena dynasty that might be the case.
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Yes, I wouldn't call that a minor bug either. You could, for example, play for several generations and decide to go on a crusade because you just had a son and consider the line of succession secure enough. After all, if you die and even your son doesn't make it, you'd be succeeded by your strong genius brother, which wouldn't be too bad either.
Your wife even becomes pregnant again while you're out sieging Antioch.
However, tragedy soon strikes as your son starts pooping blood just when you get an axe to the face. You continue playing as your dysenteric son who can just watch as your mother marries the chancellor, who looks suspiciously similar to the boy your mother just gave birth to and whom the chancellor promptly, acknowledges as his own son. Due to court intrigue well above your current capacity to understand, that boy is even considered your heir.
You soon thereafter die while pooping out your bowels and get a game over.
Even if that exact scenario is impossible due to your half brother being considered a bastard who can't inherit anything no matter what, there are small possible modifications to it which can lead to a sudden, un-fun game over outside of the player's control.
And even if you disregard game over scenarios, you can no longer play the intrigue game right.
Consider, for example, playing as Leon. You just inherited Castile by murdering the former king, your brother. Now you have your eyes on the kingdom of Galicia, which is ruled by another brother of yours, with you yourself being first in line. You set up a murder plot, but while you are preparing, your murdered brother's widow gives birth to a posthumous son of that brother. Due to gavelkind succession, this nephew of yours inherits Galicia after your brother dies in a failed attempt at becoming Spider-Man. You are next in line, though, and happily start plotting again. However, unbeknownst to you, the widow of the brother you murdered first, and queen dowager of Galicia, marries a random Italian noble and gives birth to another son. Your plot fires, the toddler king of Galicia dies and that random Italian baby inherits Galicia, placing the title well outside your reach by means of succession. Sounds un-fun for an intrigue based character, right?
Luckily, such a contrived scenario would never happen.
Except that it did, yesterday, in literally the first official CK3 stream ever, and thus in 100% of all public games to date!
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Well, ok, I guess that settles it, then. I just hope I'm overestimating the problems caused by this bug, and for a quick patch.
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It really depends on the situation. It is an annoying bug to say the least that is true. The times that it could hit you personally are minimal (highly intrigue-based runs where you have to kill members of your family), but the times it could hit the AI is a bit tougher.
Imagine having an AI-vassal of your dynasty, your 3rd son that you give him a newly obtained title like the duchy of Leinster to keep it in the family and he has promising stats as well. You marry him off to the House de Normadie because you want to have an Alliance going with William as long as he is alive and he has taken Wales already. But shortly after their 1st son your son dies because of a hunting accident. Great. She gets remarried to an English noble (lets say the Duke of York) and has 3 sons with him. And your grandson has the rabies with 6 and dies. This means Leinster actually goes to his first half-brother, an Englishmen who is part of England.
Long things short. This bug could be a huge issue in certain circumstances. You must have a deep look in which characters you are going to land and that they will have enough successors if this falls flat.
So I really hope this gets fixed sooner than later.
Imagine having an AI-vassal of your dynasty, your 3rd son that you give him a newly obtained title like the duchy of Leinster to keep it in the family and he has promising stats as well. You marry him off to the House de Normadie because you want to have an Alliance going with William as long as he is alive and he has taken Wales already. But shortly after their 1st son your son dies because of a hunting accident. Great. She gets remarried to an English noble (lets say the Duke of York) and has 3 sons with him. And your grandson has the rabies with 6 and dies. This means Leinster actually goes to his first half-brother, an Englishmen who is part of England.
Long things short. This bug could be a huge issue in certain circumstances. You must have a deep look in which characters you are going to land and that they will have enough successors if this falls flat.
So I really hope this gets fixed sooner than later.
The release version for CK2 was 1.02b, which I think was a patch released that day. Then 1.03b was released 3 days later, so if that is modelled I wouldn't worry too much.
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Primogeniture absolutely goes
You
Your eldest valid child
Their eldest valid child
(so on until you run out)
Your second eldest valid child
Their eldest child
Their eldest child
(and so on)
...
Your eldest valid sibling
Their kids
...
Your next eldest valid sibling.
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It's why the succession to the British Crown would still go to William were Charles to predecease him and Queen Elizabeth, and Andrew, Edward, and Anne are behind William and Harry's children.
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Partition successions are a bit more complicated, and depending on the rules might split between all brothers or all children at a given level.
They also as far as I am aware act like primogeniture if there is only one heir at a given tier.
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That is very much how it went. Direct descendants are always preferred over siblings in feudal inheritance. Go look up the line of succession for the UK - William's kids are ahead of Harry, for example.
The issue was after the first kid was killed. That's when the bug kicked in giving preference to his mother's line for no apparent reason when it should have stuck with his father's line and gone to the uncle.
I'm pretty sure this is the kind of problem that will directly affect a very small number of playthroughs and they just got very unlucky with the sequence of events that caused it to pop up this time. It's a bummer that it's in for release but I don't really see it being something that causes more than a few grumpy posts on these here forums.
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Good to see QA doing their job once again - Jimenez succession bugged in the release build.
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It wouldn't be a paradox game if there weren't some bugs on release.
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I have to say that as bugs go, it's not *that* illogical to see, and might just be a one off failure of the algorithm to trace things properly.
Especially if there's some "real father" "assumed father" shenanigans going on that we didn't see, and that meant the nephew wasn't connected to his father correctly (or if being posthumous did something weird).
Especially if there's some "real father" "assumed father" shenanigans going on that we didn't see, and that meant the nephew wasn't connected to his father correctly (or if being posthumous did something weird).
It wouldn't be a video game if there weren't some bugs on release.
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Which makes me think that it would be cool to have a scheme to form a particular faction in a foreign realm...
don‘t know much about inheritance law in history
why would brother not inherit before uncle?
is the inheritance law base on dynasty?
why would brother not inherit before uncle?
is the inheritance law base on dynasty?
historical inheritance laws in Europe have tended to favour routing through male relatives over routing through female relatives. (in extremis, to the point that not only can a woman not inherit her father's titles, neither can her sons.)
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The mother married the title holder, she herself had no claim to it. Therefore her children with another man have no claim to the title, even if they are half brothers to a rightful heir.
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The important point here is that it was a half brother who shared the same mother.
On the death of the child-king, the inheritance should have traced back to his father, and then *his* relatives, meaning that his father's brother (the uncle) should have inherited.
Had the half brother shared the same father, and both were legitimate, then the half brother would inherit, regardless of dynasty.
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That has nothing to do with anything.The CEO of Paradox Interactive is a woman.
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and?The CEO of Paradox Interactive is a woman.
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