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flak 88: Great Counter-Offensive? Not for a bit - the fuel situation is indeed to bad. However, I can manage small attacks like this one
Sybot: Yeah, its kinda a pain.....
anonymous4401: At least my manpower is steady. At this point, i can deal with the lack of resources (for now) but a lack of people would kill me
Akaki: Thats what I've been doing, but the amounts that I can buy keep getting smaller and smaller as my demands get greater (<- I'm getting more aggressive)
anonymous4401: Sadly, not really. Enough to keep me around the 300IC mark but thats a decrease of almost 50ICs due to lack of rare materials. It seems that plastic technology I researched wasn't really worth it at the moment.
Von Uber: Its not bad if you play the Allies
Its a bit of a challenge for the Axis
Earth's Savior: True, and my Allies stockpiles of oil to pillage are getting much smaller - but it would take a while for them to significantly out-produce me. Its more a race against the Allies annexing Japan
kami888: Your faith in me shall not prove misplaced!
General Jac: Yes, unfortunately there are alot of Russians between me and those provinces (The resource and IC distributions are alot differenent than in the '36 campaign. I pretty much have to get to the Urals and the Cacuses to get anything useful)
SecondReich: Yes, no fuel does tend to slow vehicles down
Sybot: Yeah, its kinda a pain.....
anonymous4401: At least my manpower is steady. At this point, i can deal with the lack of resources (for now) but a lack of people would kill me
Akaki: Thats what I've been doing, but the amounts that I can buy keep getting smaller and smaller as my demands get greater (<- I'm getting more aggressive)
anonymous4401: Sadly, not really. Enough to keep me around the 300IC mark but thats a decrease of almost 50ICs due to lack of rare materials. It seems that plastic technology I researched wasn't really worth it at the moment.
Von Uber: Its not bad if you play the Allies
Its a bit of a challenge for the AxisEarth's Savior: True, and my Allies stockpiles of oil to pillage are getting much smaller - but it would take a while for them to significantly out-produce me. Its more a race against the Allies annexing Japan
kami888: Your faith in me shall not prove misplaced!
General Jac: Yes, unfortunately there are alot of Russians between me and those provinces (The resource and IC distributions are alot differenent than in the '36 campaign. I pretty much have to get to the Urals and the Cacuses to get anything useful)
SecondReich: Yes, no fuel does tend to slow vehicles down
You are the true player!!!
I myself had so much fun in trying to defeat the AI(which is really hard to begin with) that I couldnt cope with having no oil.
Thats why I invaded a country named: F12:\ oil, oil, oil, oil, oil, oil and got 30000 oil as spoils of war ....yeaah yeaah I know its cheating but at least I am being honost about it...
Exterous: Why dont you try an encirclement in the North using a combined armoured punch and Naval landing.There must be at least 100 div's that you can encircle there?
I myself had so much fun in trying to defeat the AI(which is really hard to begin with) that I couldnt cope with having no oil.
Thats why I invaded a country named: F12:\ oil, oil, oil, oil, oil, oil and got 30000 oil as spoils of war
....yeaah yeaah I know its cheating but at least I am being honost about it... Exterous: Why dont you try an encirclement in the North using a combined armoured punch and Naval landing.There must be at least 100 div's that you can encircle there?
Great AAR, been following it since the start. Looks like now, if you got the oil, you have a great opportunity to strike south and capture 57 Soviet divisions. I would reccomend using the Romanian units in the Beserabia region to hold Kherson and Dnepetrovorks (sp) while you use your fast moving divisions to capture melitopol and then Yevpatoriya (sp) and cut those untis off from Kerch as well. Thus trapping 57 Russian divisions.
It would seem like the best course of action and a short route to attack as well. Good luck!
It would seem like the best course of action and a short route to attack as well. Good luck!
With the Odessa pocket easily reduced, German High Command eyed the location of the escaping Russian forces. They were located on a peninsula that would be easily encircled. The only question was one of timing. The Russians were moving out of the area, could German forces trap most of them in time?
More deals were made for oil. With local Allies still low from the previous exchanges, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan, Argentina and Siam were tapped. Only about half of the oil would get through from the overseas traders, but it would have to do.
German forces encountered heavy resistance from the Russians who were busy trying to extract their troops from the encriclement.
-Hans looked at the operations map. He just could not close the gap until the 7th Grenadiers took that town. It was a small town straddling a river. The western half was in German hands but the Russians held the eastern half. Behind the town was a bluff that had Russian artillery positions that were pinning down von Lucks 19th Combat Command.
Hans turned to his aide "How long until the engineers have that bridge up." The town would have to be bypassed.
His aide looked at his watch "About another half hour sir."
Hans shook his head - they just weren't moving fast enough…..
Meanwhile, the Russians weren't sitting still to the north of the Ukraine operations
Given past successes with encirclements in reducing the number of Russian divisions it was decided that a slow advance into Russia (due to lack of oil) could be sustained and, for the first time in years, the gains in the Ukraine were garrisoned. Unfortunately the heavy fighting only encircled a measly 5 divisions. The bulk of the Russian Ukrainian Army escaped.
A bit to the north, fresh Axis troops lead a counter attack that managed to encircle another measly 4 divisions in Tarnopol. Apparently the Russians had learned and declined to station large force concentrations in that area. Given the amount of oil reserves (from stockpiles of other countries - I have no reserves) extending the operation had used, the results were dissapointing.
The front around Zhitomir and Tarnopol was busy with attacks and counter attacks with no appreciable games to be noticed. The Americans continued to prove that they love losing 1-2 divisions in Anzio.
With the airfields in Odessa occupied, Romania and Bulgaria were safe from attack. German fighters moved up to patrol the newly occupied lines for Russian bombers.
Overall the operation was a success. Almost 40 Russian divisions had been destroyed, western Ukraine re-occupied, Romania and Bulgaria were safe from aireal attack and now Germany might be able to sustain long term offesives against Russia
More deals were made for oil. With local Allies still low from the previous exchanges, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan, Argentina and Siam were tapped. Only about half of the oil would get through from the overseas traders, but it would have to do.
German forces encountered heavy resistance from the Russians who were busy trying to extract their troops from the encriclement.
-Hans looked at the operations map. He just could not close the gap until the 7th Grenadiers took that town. It was a small town straddling a river. The western half was in German hands but the Russians held the eastern half. Behind the town was a bluff that had Russian artillery positions that were pinning down von Lucks 19th Combat Command.
Hans turned to his aide "How long until the engineers have that bridge up." The town would have to be bypassed.
His aide looked at his watch "About another half hour sir."
Hans shook his head - they just weren't moving fast enough…..
Meanwhile, the Russians weren't sitting still to the north of the Ukraine operations
Given past successes with encirclements in reducing the number of Russian divisions it was decided that a slow advance into Russia (due to lack of oil) could be sustained and, for the first time in years, the gains in the Ukraine were garrisoned. Unfortunately the heavy fighting only encircled a measly 5 divisions. The bulk of the Russian Ukrainian Army escaped.
A bit to the north, fresh Axis troops lead a counter attack that managed to encircle another measly 4 divisions in Tarnopol. Apparently the Russians had learned and declined to station large force concentrations in that area. Given the amount of oil reserves (from stockpiles of other countries - I have no reserves) extending the operation had used, the results were dissapointing.
The front around Zhitomir and Tarnopol was busy with attacks and counter attacks with no appreciable games to be noticed. The Americans continued to prove that they love losing 1-2 divisions in Anzio.
With the airfields in Odessa occupied, Romania and Bulgaria were safe from attack. German fighters moved up to patrol the newly occupied lines for Russian bombers.
Overall the operation was a success. Almost 40 Russian divisions had been destroyed, western Ukraine re-occupied, Romania and Bulgaria were safe from aireal attack and now Germany might be able to sustain long term offesives against Russia
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Mig:Cheater! I had not thought of using a naval landing (I always forget that I have 9 TPs just sitting around) but all the armor I can spare is in the Ukraine. (Probably about 85-90% of the armored forces in Russia). It would take too much oil to move them back (and time) but I will definatlently file that idea away (as well as an amphib landing near Leningrad since the '44 AI seems to like to leave only 1 division there)
Rommel22: Glad you like the AAR, and it seems as though we think alike. The mission didn't go as planned, but I guess if they all did it wouldn't be any fun
I had not thought of using a naval landing (I always forget that I have 9 TPs just sitting around) but all the armor I can spare is in the Ukraine. (Probably about 85-90% of the armored forces in Russia). It would take too much oil to move them back (and time) but I will definatlently file that idea away (as well as an amphib landing near Leningrad since the '44 AI seems to like to leave only 1 division there)Rommel22: Glad you like the AAR, and it seems as though we think alike. The mission didn't go as planned, but I guess if they all did it wouldn't be any fun
Ahhh too bad they escaped, that would of been a great victory and would no doubt opened the way to the Caucasus once more. But atleast now, you have the Dniper as a great defensive line in the South and you will re-capture the Crimea for sure.
I guess the only thing left to do is Capture Kiev. Or keep striking in Souther Ukraine, you have Melitopol, which means you don't have to attack across a river. This would be the place to start a great offensive.
Good luck.
I guess the only thing left to do is Capture Kiev. Or keep striking in Souther Ukraine, you have Melitopol, which means you don't have to attack across a river. This would be the place to start a great offensive.
Good luck.
Don't land in Leningrad. It's too unrealistic I think...
Ehat are you researching right now? How many HQs do you have...? And why the heck have you upgraded your infantry to '45?
Ehat are you researching right now? How many HQs do you have...? And why the heck have you upgraded your infantry to '45?
Unrealisitic my $#rs...he has just defeated two major invasions, is holding against overwhelmig airpower and last but not least extending his frontline against russian forces triple his size.
Now I dont want to take any credit away from him because he plays it very well but I think we can all agree that the historical or realistical part is gone.
Besides can you give me some arguments why a naval landing near Leningrad isnt realistic? Because it didnt happen in reallife?
If I am not mistaking strategical deployment doesnt cost you any oil, it does cost you time do..
Now I dont want to take any credit away from him because he plays it very well but I think we can all agree that the historical or realistical part is gone.
Besides can you give me some arguments why a naval landing near Leningrad isnt realistic? Because it didnt happen in reallife?
If I am not mistaking strategical deployment doesnt cost you any oil, it does cost you time do..
I agree on that, but I said he should use the navallanding to try and enveloppe/encircle russians, not to take Leningrad.(that would be gamey)
On the subject of Leningrad, did you know Hitler gave specific orders not to take Leningrad but only to encircle it, he even gave orders not to accept any surrendering of the city.
Do you guys think the AI is counting on this historical act? :rofl:
On the subject of Leningrad, did you know Hitler gave specific orders not to take Leningrad but only to encircle it, he even gave orders not to accept any surrendering of the city.
Do you guys think the AI is counting on this historical act? :rofl:
Mig said:
I'd say this is the most historical game of the '44 scenario I've seen yet. Altough it's questionable if the germans could halt Operation Bagration they should atlest have been able to slow it down, if they had choosen an other strategy then they did (let us be run over and then smash back...).
When it comes to the Normandy Invasion things could have turned out in a muh diffrent way with some more luck for the germans.
Jonte: There have been alot of what if's in all kinds of books and articles but winning the war in 1944 wasnt possible Germany, if other choices where made in 1940 there would be a different discussion.
Winning a 4 front war (I counted the airwar too) against enemies that outproduces you in every way....
Winning a 4 front war (I counted the airwar too) against enemies that outproduces you in every way....
-Blackness
Slowly a swirling grey mess started to untangle itself into shapes and objects. As the image started to sharpen a jolt caused everything to mash together again. There was actually a lot of jostling. Despite the constant abrupt movement, the mess finally resolved itself into recognizable objects.
Karl slowly turned his head and saw he was in a compartment.
-jostle-
A moving compartment.
Having had some nasty bumps on his head before, Karl took his time getting his bearings. The rocking and shaking of his compartment wasn't helping and, if there had been anything in his stomach, Karl was willing to bet it would be on the floor by now.
As he looked around he saw he was on the top stretcher in the compartment. There were two under him and three on the other side. All were occupied by soldiers and all were wrapped heavily in bandages. Karl was the only conscious one.
His ride stopped suddenly and threatened to throw Karl back into blackness. As he steadied himself a man in uniform opened the flap at the back of the compartment and hopped in.
"Oh, you're awake. Well, that’s good." He said.
"Where are we?" asked Karl.
"We are somewhere in the Ukraine and you are on your way to Poland my friend."
"What are you doing here?"
The man was busy checking on the other patients. "Making sure everyone is still alive." He made quick rounds, checking for a pulse and briefly checking on one man's bandages. He looked at Karl "Well, you're certainly alive" he turned to hop out.
"Wait? That’s it?"
The man turned his head and shouted to someone else "Best be on your way!" He turned back to Karl after he hopped down "The Russians are coming." With that he was gone and what Karl assumed to be a truck started off again.
The strength of the Russian push to the north required a reorganization of German holding in south eastern Ukraine.
The Russian advance ground steadily on.
German forces opposing those forces were disorganized after constant fighting. However, the expected reinforcements from the Ukraine were not to come. They would have to rely on a handful of new, inexperienced units that are due activate soon and their own means.
Slowly a swirling grey mess started to untangle itself into shapes and objects. As the image started to sharpen a jolt caused everything to mash together again. There was actually a lot of jostling. Despite the constant abrupt movement, the mess finally resolved itself into recognizable objects.
Karl slowly turned his head and saw he was in a compartment.
-jostle-
A moving compartment.
Having had some nasty bumps on his head before, Karl took his time getting his bearings. The rocking and shaking of his compartment wasn't helping and, if there had been anything in his stomach, Karl was willing to bet it would be on the floor by now.
As he looked around he saw he was on the top stretcher in the compartment. There were two under him and three on the other side. All were occupied by soldiers and all were wrapped heavily in bandages. Karl was the only conscious one.
His ride stopped suddenly and threatened to throw Karl back into blackness. As he steadied himself a man in uniform opened the flap at the back of the compartment and hopped in.
"Oh, you're awake. Well, that’s good." He said.
"Where are we?" asked Karl.
"We are somewhere in the Ukraine and you are on your way to Poland my friend."
"What are you doing here?"
The man was busy checking on the other patients. "Making sure everyone is still alive." He made quick rounds, checking for a pulse and briefly checking on one man's bandages. He looked at Karl "Well, you're certainly alive" he turned to hop out.
"Wait? That’s it?"
The man turned his head and shouted to someone else "Best be on your way!" He turned back to Karl after he hopped down "The Russians are coming." With that he was gone and what Karl assumed to be a truck started off again.
The strength of the Russian push to the north required a reorganization of German holding in south eastern Ukraine.
The Russian advance ground steadily on.
German forces opposing those forces were disorganized after constant fighting. However, the expected reinforcements from the Ukraine were not to come. They would have to rely on a handful of new, inexperienced units that are due activate soon and their own means.
Instead a thrust through the swamps was organized from the center of the front. An additional attack to the north of the main advance will be made to keep the large amounts of Russian troops to the north from interfearing with this operation.
The Germans would advance to the north and to the south of the Russian advance. (The southern attack would start later due to the longer travel times through the swamp) If the Russian advance is contained then this will be a great German victory. If not then it will be a bitter bitter fight to restore the lines. I am confident that my forces will not be stranded in the Ukraine, but a lot of work will be undone if I fail.
Its obvious the Russians aren't going to make things easy
The attack to the north of the swamps continues to draw Russian forces away from the main attack
On June 21st, as the Russians continue to advance west, Rommel and 45 divisions start the thrust north. The Russian defenders, behind the river, extracted a heavy toll on the Germans but were forced back.
And the advance continued
As more and more Russians were thrown south towards the northern thrust, the feint turned into a parallel advance to head them off.
As Russian troops force the Germans back behind Kowell, the German advance only has a bit more to go before the encirclement is complete.
To aide in the impending destruction of a large segment of the Russian army, retreating Germans in Poland turned back around and, with the help of nearby forces and 3 new divisions (2 armored and one mechanized) forced the Russians back.
Mozyr and Kowell were taken and the encirclement of about 56 Russian divisions was complete. As a side note, Kiev was included in the offensive and should be relatively easy to take once its defenders were starved out.
Offensive operations to the west were quickly undertaken to reduce the pocket
The Germans would advance to the north and to the south of the Russian advance. (The southern attack would start later due to the longer travel times through the swamp) If the Russian advance is contained then this will be a great German victory. If not then it will be a bitter bitter fight to restore the lines. I am confident that my forces will not be stranded in the Ukraine, but a lot of work will be undone if I fail.
Its obvious the Russians aren't going to make things easy
The attack to the north of the swamps continues to draw Russian forces away from the main attack
On June 21st, as the Russians continue to advance west, Rommel and 45 divisions start the thrust north. The Russian defenders, behind the river, extracted a heavy toll on the Germans but were forced back.
And the advance continued
As more and more Russians were thrown south towards the northern thrust, the feint turned into a parallel advance to head them off.
As Russian troops force the Germans back behind Kowell, the German advance only has a bit more to go before the encirclement is complete.
To aide in the impending destruction of a large segment of the Russian army, retreating Germans in Poland turned back around and, with the help of nearby forces and 3 new divisions (2 armored and one mechanized) forced the Russians back.
Mozyr and Kowell were taken and the encirclement of about 56 Russian divisions was complete. As a side note, Kiev was included in the offensive and should be relatively easy to take once its defenders were starved out.
Offensive operations to the west were quickly undertaken to reduce the pocket
