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I know this is the way it used to be, but in my most recent game I was the the Despot of Serbia, then became the emperor, then those vassals in Serbia desired the kingdom title (It was my only kingdom title). Maybe it was a bug in my game, I don't know. I kept the title anyways though, so I could sit and watch them pout.

Ah, no, sorry. It's due to capital location. Had your capital been in Serbia everything'd been fine.
 

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Ah, no, sorry. It's due to capital location. Had your capital been in Serbia everything'd been fine.
Ah, no, that's lame, still good to know it wasn't a bug or a change in game rules. Thanks a lot for the info Isaios, I'm sure it will come in handy in my next game. :)
 

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Ah, no, that's lame, still good to know it wasn't a bug or a change in game rules. Thanks a lot for the info Isaios, I'm sure it will come in handy in my next game. :)

Sure :) I use the mechanism shamelessly :p Of particluar interest in Spain. Castile and Navarra together are only 7 counties, so I can easily hold those two alone and have Aragon for instance as primary. It's nice having extra crowns.
 

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I haven't been testing it to any extent, so what effect does this have?

If Bulgaria is a Despotate, then they get their own Patriarch? And you can no longer excommunicate people there?
 

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I haven't been testing it to any extent, so what effect does this have?

If Bulgaria is a Despotate, then they get their own Patriarch? And you can no longer excommunicate people there?

Yeah I had a one of my dukes declare himself Despot of Georgia, it works like the Pentarches. Basically the Patriarch answers to the Despot not to you. So you can't excommunicate anybody who has the new Patriarch as a head and you'll see a lot more of your vassals getting each other excommunicated and starting wars you can't stop by lifting the excommunication.
 

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Yeah I had a one of my dukes declare himself Despot of Georgia, it works like the Pentarches. Basically the Patriarch answers to the Despot not to you. So you can't excommunicate anybody who has the new Patriarch as a head and you'll see a lot more of your vassals getting each other excommunicated and starting wars you can't stop by lifting the excommunication.

It even does this for de Jure parts of the empire. Thanks :) No gifting of Despotates then. Too bad.
 

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It seems that they'll still want independence, or at least that's how I get it from the patch note...

Anyway why would you want vassal king if it doesn't contribute to your realm stability? Less vassal kings = more soldiers & more feudal tax if you enable it, and less blobbing vassal
What if you've got 83 vassals and 30 of them don't like you, or 18 vassals and 6 of them don't like you? Its easier to manage in a new succession or if you're going to change the laws.
 

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What if you've got 83 vassals and 30 of them don't like you, or 18 vassals and 6 of them don't like you? Its easier to manage in a new succession or if you're going to change the laws.

Less vassals are easier to manage. The downside is the risk that they pose. A king-level vassal has enough power to invade other realms. This is great, until he comes to pose a threat because he makes up a significant portion of your power base.
You also lose the ability to manage the dukes that fall under the king, allowing them to grow, marry and extort their way to power as well. The main risk with King-level vassals is that they or their Dukes will start marrying outside of their De Jure borders, and you might end up with a King blobbing within your borders and a lot of resentment and minor wars between vassals.

I tend to make a lot of money and prestige by micromanaging my Dukes, so overall I prefer a lot of one-duchy one-county dukes to a few kings, but that is just personal preference.
 

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Keep in mind that the primogeniture succession Greece uses is different than the Empire's primo succession. For example, my heir to the imperial throne is my youngest son because he was born in the purple, but my eldest son is the heir to Greece. That could definitely create problems down the road. I had to destroy the title since I couldn't change succession fast enough due to internal wars. :(

Actually if you didn't know, you can make any of your son(and meybe even close relatives but not sure about it) your heir as ERE emperor, by granting them Despot honorary title, so born in purple does not really matter, it has some prestige bonuses i believe though.
 

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Actually if you didn't know, you can make any of your son(and meybe even close relatives but not sure about it) your heir as ERE emperor, by granting them Despot honorary title, so born in purple does not really matter, it has some prestige bonuses i believe though.

Born in the Purple gives +0.5 prestige a month, but more importantly it also gives +10 relations with all vassals.

Despot give +0.04 (and if this is supposed to be the same as born in the Purple, why on earth not set this to +0.5 as well?)

As a general tip, try giving your son as many honorary titles as can be combined as it gives them both a small prestige bonus and a spot of gold. It's not much, but better than letting it go to waste. Particularily true with smaller realms of course.