To all the harsh critics

[AdmiralNelson]

In all seriousness, I'm playing a game as France now and have grown attached to my latest Monarch, Louis XV, who is "a gift from God."

That's what happens to me. Before playing CK, I thought I would be bothered by random monarchs and leaders after game start, but I discovered that I get just as attached to the randomly generated people (including the generals/admirals I hire myself in EU3) as I was attached to the historical figures.

 

[unmerged(2619)]

In the interest of fairness:



That last one still gets me. As if Paradox was really trying to steal your money. They're a company and they need money to survive, yes, but they are not malicious.

First: if u have to quote, pls quote correctly and don't merge different posts acontestually. Cause in this way my thoughts seem different. This is not intellecutally honest, so pls give up these sophisms. Really I'm not interested in defining who are the true older fans and I'm not interested in religious wars. Between the older fans (as we can see in this forum) there are supporters of both sides. Between the old guard someone now like more the game someones are quitting playing finding EU3 boring and not amusing. It's not a problem because we are only discussing about how everyone enjoy to play.
And about the second maybe it was not a deliberate choice but sure the message about the new game's philosophy was ambiguous for the former players that dind't read the forum carefully. the name, the descripiton in the site and also the screenshots conjured to expect another EU3

 

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That's what happens to me. Before playing CK, I thought I would be bothered by random monarchs and leaders after game start, but I discovered that I get just as attached to the randomly generated people (including the generals/admirals I hire myself in EU3) as I was attached to the historical figures.

It's just as easy for me to hate my rivals random people too

Especially during war when there's those enemy generals that just never seem to lose no matter how much you get them outnumbered.

 

[AdmiralNelson]

First: if u have to quote, pls quote correctly and don't merge different posts acontestually. Cause in this way my thoughts seem different. This is not intellecutally honest, so pls give up these sophisms.

I have added a note to that effect.

Really I'm not interested in defining who are the true older fans and I'm not interested in religious wars. Between the older fans (as we can see in this forum) there are supporters of both sides. Between the old guard someone now like more the game someones are quitting playing finding EU3 boring and not amusing. It's not a problem because we are only discussing about how everyone enjoy to play.

Nevertheless, it's terms like the "old guard" that serve to label and classify people where they need not and probably don't want to be classified. I've played since EUI and consider myself a fan of Paradox and the series as much as anyone else, and I have every right to think so. What makes me not a member of the "old guard?"

That's not a question I mean spitefully, but as a remark on these terms that we all throw around like they're clear and self-evident (determinism, plausibility, historicity, etc.) and that we all use to categorize people where, as I just said, they need not and want not be categorized.

And about the second maybe it was not a deliberate choice but sure the message about the new game's philosophy was ambiguous for the former players that dind't read the forum carefully. the name, the descripiton in the site and also the screenshots conjured to expect another EU3

They've got to describe the game mechanics in a brief way that is easily understood and that is also attractive to large numbers of people and that's true of every marketing division on the face of the earth, except for Patagonia (clothing maker in the U.S. who insists that customers only buy if they need the stuff; surprisingly, they aren't bankrupt).

I treat everything that comes from the mouths of marketers and advertisers with skepticism, so I can't recall being "tricked" by a game's advertisement. I know I would not be happy if I felt that I had wasted my money on a product that was not of quality, and so I can sympathize. I hope mods or patches will be released that can mold the game to your liking, as well.

 

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the name, the descripiton in the site and also the screenshots conjured to expect another EU3

First, cue a certain someone on these forums to tell me again, that no one in this thread has ever claimed they felt mislead because of the way this game was marketed. :wacko:

Name- Europa Universalis 3...
To me this says "The Universe of Europe 3" which does not imply an event driven game because #1 was not event driven and #2 was event driven, that means #3 could be either.

Description- Europa Universalis III delves deeply into the areas of exploration, trade, warfare and diplomacy. This epic strategy game lets players take control of a nation and guide it through the ages to become a great global empire. Unparalleled in its depth and historical accuracy, Europa Universalis III gives the player unprecedented freedom in how they choose to rule their nation from an impressive choice of over 250 historically accurate countries...
A few have remarked on this statement listed on the website product description. Unparalleled depth and historical accuracy tells me that when I start, it will probably be accurate. But it is a game so it will have different out comes that will vary from what really happened in history. I would also expect to see some historically accurate units modeled into the game. Maybe some historical leaders. Unprecedented FREEdom... That sounds very FREEform to me! And 250 of the countries are historically accurate! I really fail to see what part of this marketing blurb says it will be event driven and follow history the entire time you play.

Screen shots- Maybe it was just me but I don't remember seeing many screen shots with many event windows displayed on the screen.

I just don't see how anyone can feel mislead about the type of grand strategy game this would be?

 

[unmerged(6310)]

Marketing?

I didn't even know there was an EU3 until I happened to check EBGames website looking for info on another game, and I saw EU3 in the coming soon spot and was like "I remember playing that series".

Heck, even if there was misleading marketing (redundant? ) I'd have known the game even existed instead of almost missing out on it completely.

 

[MacGregor]

I understand very well what determinism means . . .

Oh, so then you know that the "dynamic" system is just as deterministic as any other system; that can be seen because the AI is determined by the situation and internal scripts. To talk of one AI being "determine" and another being "dynamic" are misnomers and add to the confusion.

Where you have the real difference is the factors which influence the AI's choice of actions. In EUII (for example) the AI's actions were influenced by their base situation (year, date, friends, enemies, sliders, etc), events, some historical in nature, some random, and internal, individualized country specific AIs.

In EUIII, the AI's intelligent reactions may be better, and are according to all reports. However, the last two factors, events, and internal, country specifi AI's are now missing. Both those factors are what gave EUII it's historical feel, something that is completely lacking in EUIII, again from all reports.

As you can see, none of that has the least bit to do with determinism. Both are utterely and completely determined by AI routines. The differences are those factors that are allowed to determine the AI's actions, not that one is determined and the other isn't.

 

[Stonewall]

What a pointless thread. The same tired arguments hashed and rehashed. We need a "beating a dead horse" smiley.

The game is what it is. The dynamic event system is here. Its core to the game. It is extraordinarily unlikely to change.

Once again, it is what it is. Accept it, mod it, or don't. Free will and all that jazz.

Closed.