boromir said:
It possible in plain HOI - uk can get clobbered if its not too carefull - however true in starfire this is even more likely..
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It possible in plain HOI - uk can get clobbered if its not too carefull - however true in starfire this is even more likely..
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DarthMaur said:Yeah, one of us is obviously out of contact with reality now
Well, most of them were Romanian, and there is no chance of Stalingrad beign relieved, anyway...
Actually, you're down to 110 infantry divisions, and i have 90. And few of SU divisions are already encircled...
Yeah, apparently we should finish a game finally
yes well no need for either of you to brag about what if - the game was not finished and lets leave it as a draw.
Darth can you play this saturday?
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Hyperteching is bad because it worsens dogpiling even more (defense statistics increase much less than offense).boromir said:
Anyway, i am browsing Starfire and it seems it is compatible with 1.06, so i would be for it (i hope that Germany is not as much overpowered as it was in previous 1.05, versions of Starfire).
Yet, it seems it has changed a lot. I'd like someone to play it before we play, and post comments-its especially important for me as i am not able to play SP...
I have plaesure to take a look at Fiendix save, and a bit reality. It wasn't draw, Russia is pilled down those units encircled at Stalingrad and east almost unsecured . It looks really bad. Only strong UK offensive can help a bit.
and east almost unsecured . It looks really bad. Only strong UK offensive can help a bit.DarthMaur said:
okay so we need min. one more person.
do we want to try the starfire mod?
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Ok so we play this saturday. Proposal is that me and Fiendix will play as Axis, and the bad guys will take Allies this time .
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Orthank said:I have plaesure to take a look at Fiendix save, and a bit reality. It wasn't draw, Russia is pilled down those units encircled at Stalingrad
So it can help or it can't?
DarthMaur said:
I think Germany is pretty powerful. But we would really need to play MP to find out. The USSR is no push over either. But I have a few issues with it - the difference between improved and basic fighter stats may be a bit too much. The Germans have a huge tech advantage in fighters. Hyperteching may be possible in some trees (not the armour one though). OTOH, the Germans are behind in vehicle assembly production, which is good. We can increase some tech times if necessary, lower plane ranges a bit, and I think we may have a pretty nice game.
Fiendix said:
But in plain HOI it effectively means a reduction in Barbarossa success chance to near zero.
boromir said:
hmm not really - in the game with Maschadow I built 24 improved subs + with the italians proved to be troublesome for USA. Dont know how it would have worked against a human uk, but from what I noticed the uk has to send some transports to convoy duty otherwise it might have resource problems in the long run. Even in the last game the axis sank quite a few of my convoys and I had to cancel some of mine to set up one to USSR.
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The biggest poblem is the Western Front now: who is first? Italian and German reserves (constr. queue) or the British offensive towards the Maginot line? If the earlier then the Brits are doomed - even with a huge navy there might be a problem with withdrawal of all the units stationed in France (50 divisions, if my memory serves me). Such a huge loss would be hard to get undone and the Brits would be left with no other choice as to fight to the last Canadian and American. However, if the Allied offensive comes first and breaks the German lines (I doubt my Alpine forts can be broken that easily) in the centre of the front - the situation might become hopeless. It all depends on timing now.Orthank said:I have plaesure to take a look at Fiendix save, and a bit reality. It wasn't draw, Russia is pilled down those units encircled at Stalingrad
Cheers
Halibutt said:
Well there are some important for USSR units encircled in Stalingrad - if they will be destroyed
. So i would say that there is a drow on western front (allies have slighlty more units but commonwealth have worst tech) but on eastern it just question of max. two months to close a huge pocket with Leningrad and Moscow inside, even if USSR will deploy some extra land units. I think that u need some three hours more to have decisive victory for one of sides, i am even willing to wait that time and see how the things go on .
Orthank said:Well there are some important for USSR units encircled in Stalingrad - if they will be destroyed
What Leningrad pocket are you talking about?
The units in Stalingrad aren't very important - they actually didn't get to fight the last 8 months (!), and are made up primarily of outdated tanks. Too much discussion & analysis to finish the game though, and taking into account future dates, extremely unlikely. The Moscow near encirclement is "phony", and can be easily broken, as it was before, I chose not to concentrate on it. Obviously the UK must win in the West for the Allies to win the game. I think its possible that they can win singlehandedly, seeing that they can achieve air superiority and will have tanks. Anyway, the 1939 scenario is quite reasonable compared to the 1936 fantasy.
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Well it was only my impression, i didn't played this game and it always look different if u play and have a plan then if u have just a few minutes to watch what is going on. I'm very curious who will won so as i sad before i'm even willing to wait a bit next time we meet and look which side will win.
One interesting feature of Starfire is that, since the battles last longer, the skill levels of the leaders go up dramatically. I had a 3-week battle with the Romanians and a skill 1 leader ended up on skill 3. Dunno whether that's good or bad. OTOH the Romanians put on an impressive defense Maybe good, as leaders & experience would actually play a bigger role, and we have some role playing too . In vanilla HOI we hardly ever get a level up, which made the skill system not too significant.
Maybe good, as leaders & experience would actually play a bigger role, and we have some role playing too . In vanilla HOI we hardly ever get a level up, which made the skill system not too significant.
It depends what country u are playing, as Italy i have usually 5 leaders that get extra 3 skills after Ethiopia war.
According to starfire for sure this wont be good for USA - but perhaps that the way it should be.
According to starfire for sure this wont be good for USA - but perhaps that the way it should be.
I talked with Halibutt and he will know last second if he can play on Saturday.. If he knows earlier he said he will post the info asap.
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