To all players from Warsaw!

[Orthank]

:rofl: :rofl: I think you have totally gone insane

F

Wishfullthinkig - hmm perhaps you are right.

Rules are rules we need to set them up (eventhough that discussion might be painfull for some Luftwaffe authorities), and it's impossible to do that in ten minutes before game begins.

 

[boromir]

Impressive...
:rofl:

Guys don't make me laugh!

- Very fast speed 1936-1939 and no pause for tech management? (how much time will you spare with that?).
- Fiendix playing as USA is always pausing to move his ic slider every month(even half of 1ic).
- Province management - you don't mean upgrading ic in SU?
- How often do you trade on World Market twice per year, three times?

Well i have a WONDER CURE for bove of you: Fiendix will take USSR and Boromir USA - how about that?

And by the way try to aviod saying what i'm going to do or what i'm not. Right?

Why don't you calm down a bit, ok?

You have made a problem out of something that wasn't a problem for you until you started playing Internet games. You have presented your point of view in a pretty drastic manner and made personal attacks on others, in a tone that prevents any sort of compromise. If you like the way Internet games play then fine, put please stop trying to bully others to your point of view. I will *not* be bullied. If you continue in this tone, you might as well stick to the HOI-PA because I will not be playing with you again.

I repeat again, new house rules must be accepted by all. Your suggestions are not accepted by all, with the suggestion that we will try to speed up games as much as possible, but not if we feel it hurts our game-situation in some way.

 

[unmerged(2833)]

I repeat again, new house rules must be accepted by all.

By the way, not to be nitpicky, but i don't think we need house rules for paratroopers.

 

[unmerged(12303)]

By the way, not to be nitpicky, but i don't think we need house rules for paratroopers.

yes well you can basically in a couple od hrs take over huge parts of a country and cut off huge armies. I saw a game on HOIPa in which the german player landed 5 paras straight up from Baku area cutting of the whole western russia - thus making that part out of supply. the he strat redeployed the paras. This is an exploit.

I would suggest that you can have 2 paras per country.

F

 

[boromir]

By the way, not to be nitpicky, but i don't think we need house rules for paratroopers.

Actually, I thought of this when I looked over at some at a HOI-PA game, in which a Japan player used lots of bombers to bomb the hell out of all Russian troops (zero org) in the area East of the Urals, and continously dropped 6 paratroops across the frontline. Seems a bit far-fetched and exploitish to me.

 

[unmerged(14249)]

I'm not seeing the problem with paras as they are easily stopped by having rear areas garrisoned with SR reserves to back them up. And fighters to cover against bomber raids. And air transports are now quite expensive.

Andrew

 

[unmerged(12303)]

I'm not seeing the problem with paras as they are easily stopped by having rear areas garrisoned with SR reserves to back them up. And fighters to cover against bomber raids. And air transports are now quite expensive.

Andrew

Its too easy to engage the garison planes with fighters and do the exploit at the same time. The Russian front is huge - you cant guard the whole of it effectively.

Its just like with the bomb - technically you can garison your boarder but the effects of it when they get through are too exploitive..

F

 

[Orthank]

Why don't you calm down a bit, ok?

You have made a problem out of something that wasn't a problem for you until you started playing Internet games. You have presented your point of view in a pretty drastic manner and made personal attacks on others, in a tone that prevents any sort of compromise. If you like the way Internet games play then fine, put please stop trying to bully others to your point of view. I will *not* be bullied. If you continue in this tone, you might as well stick to the HOI-PA because I will not be playing with you again.

I repeat again, new house rules must be accepted by all. Your suggestions are not accepted by all, with the suggestion that we will try to speed up games as much as possible, but not if we feel it hurts our game-situation in some way.

What does it mean that i made a poblem out of something?

Pause was a big problem from the beggining of HoI as far as i remember. Bove of you attacked me fouriusly for trying to set up some rules for it. Also bove of you forget that it was a proposal and there were other rules that i suggested and you didn't sad anything about them.

I don't know why you are repeating all the time PA PA PA - what for. I play on PA and it's my FREE WILL alright? You don't want to play - you don't have to, but don't attack me for that.

Ofcourse that all rules have to be accepted by all players, what do you think? That's why we discuss because there are other players than you and F.

You nor F. didn't offer any compromise till now. Although you still have a chance .

 

[boromir]

Well, i sometimes bring a book

When i started playing with them i was shocked and frustrated. Now i get used somewhat, although thats because i didn't know they did pause to set up world market trades, geez.

I don't pause to set up trades, Blum sometimes did I think, so it doesn't hurt to add it to the list.

Discussing pausing issues is fruitless ...

 

[Orthank]

I'm not seeing the problem with paras as they are easily stopped by having rear areas garrisoned with SR reserves to back them up. And fighters to cover against bomber raids. And air transports are now quite expensive.

Andrew

In my last game it tooked Japanese 14 months to get from Wladiwostock to Moscow gates. And i was fighting on my own as US player decide to "kill" germans first.

But we need to remember that if Japanese will invest in paras and transport planes it's much weaker against USA.

 

[Orthank]

Discussing pausing issues is fruitless ...

Nice compromise, think a bit and propose something better.

 

[boromir]

What does it mean that i made a poblem out of something?

Pause was a big problem from the beggining of HoI as far as i remember. Bove of you attacked me fouriusly for trying to set up some rules for it. Also bove of you forget that it was a proposal and there were other rules that i suggested and you didn't sad anything about them.

I don't know why you are repeating all the time PA PA PA - what for. I play on PA and it's my FREE WILL alright? You don't want to play - you don't have to, but don't attack me for that.

Ofcourse that all rules have to be accepted by all players, what do you think? That's why we discuss because there are other players than you and F.

You nor F. didn't offer any compromise till now. Although you still have a chance .

Nobody is attacking you for playing at the PA. Nobody is furiously attacking you for anything. Why don't you calmly reread the thread. Could you please show me when I attacked you?

I do not agree with what you say, and I will not repeat this any more.

 

[boromir]

Nice compromise, think a bit and propose something better.

Actually I won't. I simply won't play with you. EOT.

 

[unmerged(12303)]

What does it mean that i made a poblem out of something?

Pause was a big problem from the beggining of HoI as far as i remember. Bove of you attacked me fouriusly for trying to set up some rules for it. Also bove of you forget that it was a proposal and there were other rules that i suggested and you didn't sad anything about them.

I don't know why you are repeating all the time PA PA PA - what for. I play on PA and it's my FREE WILL alright? You don't want to play - you don't have to, but don't attack me for that.

Ofcourse that all rules have to be accepted by all players, what do you think? That's why we discuss because there are other players than you and F.

You nor F. didn't offer any compromise till now. Although you still have a chance .

It was not a problem - it was a nuisance. We did not attack you about it - I said that I will not agree to a rule that you cant pause to issue air orders. I said I will try to limit them and I suggested areas in which we could TRY to limit the use of the pause button. You seemed not to understand that and ridiculed me and attacked in every single post on the last page or so. I didnt attack you for playing PA - you can do that in your own time. Boromir pointed out that the pause rule may work for internet since its harder to play over the next with crappy connections - a statment with which I agree.

Neither he nor I sees a reason to change it for LAN. BUT you still attacked me and carried on about this. Thus my statement that you must calm down. Yes the rules have to be accepted by all players - since boromir nor I didnt accept them whilst Darth nor Halibutt seem to mind which way it goes (if they do please let us know) the rule will not be accepted. Do you understand that? Or will you keep at it..?

We offered compromises which I wrote about. Its not my problem you need things spelled out for you. I do not want to create rules like

1) NO pauseing for production screen
2) NO pausing for airplanes
3) No pausing for techs
etc etc

as we would have a huge list which nobody could enforce. We can ALL only try to pause as little as possible.

Thats all I have to say about this matter and I hope that you understand what I wrote above.

This Saturday/Sunday game will be EU2 since Maschadow is not here. Do you want play? here is the thread --> http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160104

F

EDIT - cleared somethings up and typos

 

[boromir]

Going back to the paratroopers. Of course if Maur or someone else finds such a house rule unacceptable, there won't be one. Paratroopers have always been some sort of problem in MP games *sigh*

 

[unmerged(14249)]

It might help if you had a regular pause for offline activities. It's common for games to have a January pause for annual activities like IC upgrades. You might have a weekly pause for other activities like diplomacy, research and builds. If everyone does these things together then the pauses may be less annoying.

As for paras and aircraft, are you playing with 1.06b? The new air stacking rules will make big para drops more risky.

Andrew

 

[boromir]

It might help if you had a regular pause for offline activities. It's common for games to have a January pause for annual activities like IC upgrades. You might have a weekly pause for other activities like diplomacy, research and builds. If everyone does these things together then the pauses may be less annoying.

As for paras and aircraft, are you playing with 1.06b? The new air stacking rules will make big para drops more risky.

Andrew

Well, we always have the January pauses of course. A weekly pause for certain activities is a good idea though.

I haven't played 1.06b extensively yet, but I don't really see how the Russians can effectively protect themselves against overwhelming Jap air superiority during Barbarossa.

 

[Orthank]

Well, we always have the January pauses of course. A weekly pause for certain activities is a good idea though.

I haven't played 1.06b extensively yet, but I don't really see how the Russians can effectively protect themselves against overwhelming Jap air superiority during Barbarossa.

They can't but there are also UK and USA - have to split allies forces so that Japanese will be forced to fight with them as well.

 

[unmerged(14249)]

I haven't played 1.06b extensively yet, but I don't really see how the Russians can effectively protect themselves against overwhelming Jap air superiority during Barbarossa.

Air ranges are shorter for one thing - the Japs may have trouble flying across those huge provinces.

Andrew

 

[unmerged(12303)]

It might help if you had a regular pause for offline activities. It's common for games to have a January pause for annual activities like IC upgrades. You might have a weekly pause for other activities like diplomacy, research and builds. If everyone does these things together then the pauses may be less annoying.

As for paras and aircraft, are you playing with 1.06b? The new air stacking rules will make big para drops more risky.

Andrew

yes we do have pauses January.

We will be playing 1.06b of course. Dont know if the rule will make it easier as the issue is that paratroopers are unrealistic. You can still block the defending planes and fly the paras next to them. IRL you would not drop 5 divisions across the whole of russia so the east part is out of supply. They are as exploitive as the bomb. We had a ban on paras till 1.05 IIRC - but then brought them back since the costs were up. However mass dumping is a little exploitive so it should be nerferd.

F