To all players from Warsaw!

[boromir]

I've just been reading your debate about pausing. Pausing is generally impractical IMO because a pause takes 30 seconds and if all players are trying to optimise their moves, the game will be constantly paused. The thing to do is run the game at a slow speed - very slow, if necessary.

For planes, you can put a stack of fighters into intercept mode and they will intercept automatically. The range at which they do this depends upon your tech.

Andrew

A pause doesn't necessarily take 30 seconds ...
The issue is we have played 100+ HOI LAN MP games since HOI's release, and pausing was never that serious a problem, albeit was sometimes irritating. Its not as if we are on pause all the time, and we did finish one 5 player game last time in less than 12 hours, which was a pretty good result.

I know that Internet games do demand less pausing, because its so difficult to set them up and coordinate, find dedicated players that can all play at the same time etc, but LAN is something different. I do enjoy planning my moves, and running around all over the place on my touchpad (yes, I don't even have a mouse ) is not really too much fun for me. In general, I don't want to win because my opponent moves a mouse pointer slower than me because, that is not what Paradox games are about.

I don't want all my fighters to always intercept automatically, it very much depends on the situation. Its very easy to exploit such situations ...

We will try to reduce pausing by lower speeds, no pausing for battles with AI perhaps, province management, trades on world market, reallocation of IC and basic tech management, but stuff like planes need to be managed carefully otherwise they become just a waste of IC to produce, countries with less planes become favourized etc.

 

[boromir]

Who sad that i'm not going to play HoI game? If you are going to play HoI i play as well and i will kick your fat asses HARD this weekend or onother one! Although i wont play EUII.

As a Germany i'll gladly kill ya with Wunderwaffe - PAUSE ATTACK!

At the moment its unlikely we will be playing HOI this weekend at all, but we will see.

Heh, where do you get your propaganda talk from, is that a standard at the PA? :rofl:

 

[unmerged(12303)]

Where???

I already bolded this out in one of the posts - Boromir seems to have read it, agrees and just now elaborated on it in the above post - but you seem to be set on bashing me instead of reading what I wrote..

F

 

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I know that Internet games do demand less pausing, because its so difficult to set them up and coordinate, find dedicated players that can all play at the same time etc, but LAN is something different. I do enjoy planning my moves, and running around all over the place on my touchpad (yes, I don't even have a mouse ) is not really too much fun for me. In general, I don't want to win because my opponent moves a mouse pointer slower than me because, that is not what Paradox games are about.

I think the real time element is needed to provide some discipline and balance because time is a resource, as in chess. For example, suppose I want to pore over the ledger. I could easily spend an hour doing this as there is huge amounts of info there. Should I be able to pause the game for this? It's not practical. I don't see how you manage at all if you're pausing for every air mission. I suppose that you don't use aircraft much.

Andrew

 

[unmerged(2833)]

Who sad that i'm not going to play HoI game? If you are going to play HoI i play as well and i will kick your fat asses HARD this weekend or onother one! Although i wont play EUII.

As a Germany i'll gladly kill ya with Wunderwaffe - PAUSE ATTACK!

Oh come on, EU II is good game... i've haven't played it for 2 years, too. You can play England in 1419, its hard to have hard time

 

[unmerged(2833)]

I think the real time element is needed to provide some discipline and balance because time is a resource, as in chess. For example, suppose I want to pore over the ledger. I could easily spend an hour doing this as there is huge amounts of info there. Should I be able to pause the game for this? It's not practical. I don't see how you manage at all if you're pausing for every air mission. I suppose that you don't use aircraft much.

Andrew

Well, i sometimes bring a book

When i started playing with them i was shocked and frustrated. Now i get used somewhat, although thats because i didn't know they did pause to set up world market trades, geez.

Although i once noticed someone pausing to think

 

[unmerged(12303)]

I think the real time element is needed to provide some discipline and balance because time is a resource, as in chess. For example, suppose I want to pore over the ledger. I could easily spend an hour doing this as there is huge amounts of info there. Should I be able to pause the game for this? It's not practical. I don't see how you manage at all if you're pausing for every air mission. I suppose that you don't use aircraft much.

Andrew

Actually we use them quite a bit. The whole point is that if you get a pop up that you are being attacked on the other side of the world - you:

1) need to click on the message go to the site
2) need to see what is going on
3) need to find where your planes are
4) need to click on the and give the order + chose the time unpause.

Now since 1-4 usually takes around at (low speed) more than 3-4 hrs + the time your planes need to fly to intercept and fight - you will probably miss the planes. Since planes are very powerfull you can lose units just because you are not fast enough with your clicks..

Furthermore its not every mission.

I think 5-10 seconds in HOI compared to the minutes in chess are not a good comparison...

F

 

[unmerged(12303)]

Well, i sometimes bring a book

When i started playing with them i was shocked and frustrated. Now i get used somewhat, although thats because i didn't know they did pause to set up world market trades, geez.

Although i once noticed someone pausing to think

if you play USA you even bring a book on HOI- PA.

The world market - yes well thats an exagaration - I dont pause for that..

As to the thinking part... Blum is rather slow, but he does not have a lot of exp so that justifies him in a way

F

 

[Orthank]

A pause doesn't necessarily take 30 seconds ...
The issue is we have played 100+ HOI LAN MP games since HOI's release, and pausing was never that serious a problem, albeit was sometimes irritating. Its not as if we are on pause all the time, and we did finish one 5 player game last time in less than 12 hours, which was a pretty good result.

I know that Internet games do demand less pausing, because its so difficult to set them up and coordinate, find dedicated players that can all play at the same time etc, but LAN is something different. I do enjoy planning my moves, and running around all over the place on my touchpad (yes, I don't even have a mouse ) is not really too much fun for me. In general, I don't want to win because my opponent moves a mouse pointer slower than me because, that is not what Paradox games are about.

I don't want all my fighters to always intercept automatically, it very much depends on the situation. Its very easy to exploit such situations ...

We will try to reduce pausing by lower speeds, no pausing for battles with AI perhaps, province management, trades on world market, reallocation of IC and basic tech management, but stuff like planes need to be managed carefully otherwise they become just a waste of IC to produce, countries with less planes become favourized etc.

Impressive...
:rofl:

Guys don't make me laugh!

- Very fast speed 1936-1939 and no pause for tech management? (how much time will you spare with that?).
- Fiendix playing as USA is always pausing to move his ic slider every month(even half of 1ic).
- Province management - you don't mean upgrading ic in SU?
- How often do you trade on World Market twice per year, three times?

Well i have a WONDER CURE for bove of you: Fiendix will take USSR and Boromir USA - how about that?

And by the way try to aviod saying what i'm going to do or what i'm not. Right?

 

[unmerged(2833)]

Now since 1-4 usually takes around at (low speed) more than 3-4 hrs + the time your planes need to fly to intercept and fight - you will probably miss the planes. Since planes are very powerfull you can lose units just because you are not fast enough with your clicks..
F

Well, imagine that people playing thru Internet do it in split second-i used to get planes selected in the same hour they got attacked.

But of course i extensively use keyboard for marking and selecting air stacks.

 

[Orthank]

its hard to have hard time

Right but you see even if i will play this time EUII we will still have to talk sooner or later about HoI rules (pause including), so as i am on the roll... BANZAI!

 

[unmerged(2833)]

Maybe we should get something similar to clocks that are used at Chess tournamets-ie: everyone of us gets certain amount of time he can spend paused during whole session

Well i have a WONDER CURE for bove of you: Fiendix will take USSR and Boromir USA - how about that?

And we're playing Germany and Japan, and Halibutt UK? Well, that could work a bit better than Boromir as Germany, although something have to be done about Fiendix still

By the way, have you noticed our EU 2 thread?

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3198585#post3198585

 

[unmerged(12303)]

Impressive...
:rofl:

Guys don't make me laugh!

- Very fast speed 1936-1939 and no pause for tech management? (how much time will you spare with that?).
- Fiendix playing as USA is always pausing to move his ic slider every month(even half of 1ic).
- Province management - you don't mean upgrading ic in SU?
- How often do you trade on World Market twice per year, three times?

Well i have a WONDER CURE for bove of you: Fiendix will take USSR and Boromir USA - how about that?

And by the way try to aviod saying what i'm going to do or what i'm not. Right?

1) I didnt know your are so dull that I have to write it out point by point. There can be no set rules for what you cant pause - you can only *TRY* not too.
2) I repeat last game went fast and IIRC I was Germany so stop spilling all this bullshit all the time.
3) I paused in the begining after that I did not. This comming from a person who pauses to assign leaders all the time as you comp hangs. Get a life.
4) No province mangement is not upgrade as USSR at the start of the year.
5) I can take USSR or USA I dont mind.

sheesh - I think you have played PA too much and it has fried your brain.

F

 

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Well, imagine that people playing thru Internet do it in split second-i used to get planes selected in the same hour they got attacked.

But of course i extensively use keyboard for marking and selecting air stacks.

sorry I am not fast enough with my mouse. do you want to win only due to the fact that I reacted to slowly or becasue I made tactical and strategic mistakes.

F

 

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sorry I am not fast enough with my mouse. do you want to win only due to the fact that I reacted to slowly or becasue I made tactical and strategic mistakes.

F

I don't use mouse for that. When i get a popup i hit "space" to activate GOTO function and then i hit one of the 1-0 keys to select the stack. It takes split second.

If i get more popups at once, i quickly eliminate some with "enter" key.

Then i decide if the battle is winnable, after seeing who's attacking what, which again takes split second (as its quite obvious, if you got 3 bombers attacked by 12 fighters, it doesn't take a lot of thinking to decide to retreat), if not i wait one hour and see the losses, and if they are not favourable i make my first mouseclick. To whatever province of mine.

 

[unmerged(12303)]

so as i am on the roll... BANZAI!

Yes we can all see that. I think you should take vallium/other to calm down a bit..

F

 

[unmerged(12303)]

I don't use mouse for that. When i get a popup i hit "space" to activate GOTO function and then i hit one of the 1-0 keys to select the stack. It takes split second.

If i get more popups at once, i quickly eliminate some with "enter" key.

yes well we can all TRY - but I refuse to make a house rule of it. As I said before (and this is the last time I will say it) last game went very fast - actually its the first game we finished in 12 hrs and I was germany so please Orthank stop bullshiting that I takes too much time.

F

 

[boromir]

I think the real time element is needed to provide some discipline and balance because time is a resource, as in chess. For example, suppose I want to pore over the ledger. I could easily spend an hour doing this as there is huge amounts of info there. Should I be able to pause the game for this? It's not practical. I don't see how you manage at all if you're pausing for every air mission. I suppose that you don't use aircraft much.

Andrew

Nobody pauses to look over the ledger

But we do manage quite well. And we use aircraft a lot. Hmm, I have at least > 70 planes as Germany normally, even over 100 in older patches, I wouldn't build them if I didn't use them you know

Last game as Japan my airforce was in the air nearly all the time pounding the Russians for a couple of hours real time.

 

[Orthank]

Your proposals to limit pause using are not enough i think and irresonable. Perhaps u can spare 15 minutes in total.

I have this feeling that one game with my WONDER CURE will open your minds.

I see you F. that even with vallium u can't calm down.

 

[unmerged(12303)]

I have this feeling that one game with my WONDER CURE will open your minds.

I see you F. that even with vallium u can't calm down.

:rofl: :rofl: I think you have totally gone insane

F