Title Loss on Succession: Why aren't my kingdoms going with my Empire?

[Pinstar]

So I'm the ruler of the BYZ. Under that, I have about 10 kingdom titles created and held by my ruler as well.

My former ruler's heir got married to some dumb courtier on his own, and they had 5 children before my old ruler died and I took over as him. Wanting to drop his wife, I divorced her and re-married a nice young 17 year old with awesome stats.

Here's the problem.
I have Agnatic-Cognatic Primogenitor and originally my ruler's first son was set to inherit everything, as he should.

Then suddenly, a new son is born from my ruler's 2nd wife and suddenly HE is set to inherit the Byzantine Empire....but NOT 9 of the 10 kingdoms. So I get the popups saying that those 9 kingdoms (and a handful of duchies) are STILL going to my first born. My question is: Why the heck did the empire suddenly want to go to the newborn?

I can't let this happen. I know what will happen. My first born will take the troops from his 9 kingdoms and easily overthrow his younger half-brother.. who will be me when my current ruler dies.
I don't fancy having to murder every male child that My ruler produces, especially since he's a hedonist and in love with his wife.
I've already granted my oldest a barony so turning him into a bishop is no longer an option.
I'm not sure I'll be able to turn you youngest into a bishop since the game marks him as my primary heir.

Any help would be welcome!

 

[Darrigan]

I doubt this WAD. When I have some problems with succession, I simply save the game and reload. That often works. If it doesn't, you could use cheats to fix the issue or edit the save game.

You could also make the newborn a bishop.

 

[ziamatt]

Well what are the succession laws of the kingdom titles? That might be the issue.
And you can still make the newborn a bishop. Being made a bishop excludes them from the inheritance whether they're a primary heir or not.

 

[Sn3ipen]

Do the younger brother have the born in purple trait and the elder don't have it?

Byzantine emperors had a tradition where you should be born son of a emperor to become emperor. So if the oldest son is born before your character became emperor, he cant inherit. Unless you give him the 'Despot' honorary title. This cant be changed back once done, so be careful with it. The sons with born in purple trait will not like to have a despot on the throne, though.

 

[Gingerninja]

Do the younger brother have the born in purple trait and the elder don't have it?

Byzantine emperors had a tradition where you should be born son of a emperor to become emperor. So if the oldest son is born before your character became emperor, he cant inherit. Unless you give him the 'Despot' honorary title. This cant be changed back once done, so be careful with it. The sons with born in purple trait will not like to have a despot on the throne, though.

THis only applies for the Byz, as all other titles (your kingdoms) go as normal. That is why they'll be lost on succession

 

[Darkgamma]

Even if everything is primogenital, your new son is porphyrogenetic - he stands to inherit the Byzantine throne. Now, since he's the eleventeenth son of your ruler, he doesn't get to inherit anything else.

 

[ziamatt]

Ah, I forgot about born in the purple. In that case isn't there an honorary title OP can give his oldest son to give him that trait and put him back as heir to the empire? I thought it was an honorary title anyways.

 

[Khelder]

Yes you can make him Despot which counts as born in purple.

 

[unmerged(75409)]

Ah, I forgot about born in the purple. In that case isn't there an honorary title OP can give his oldest son to give him that trait and put him back as heir to the empire? I thought it was an honorary title anyways.

Quoting post #4 from this thread:

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Byzantine emperors had a tradition where you should be born son of a emperor to become emperor. So if the oldest son is born before your character became emperor, he cant inherit. Unless you give him the 'Despot' honorary title. This cant be changed back once done, so be careful with it. The sons with born in purple trait will not like to have a despot on the throne, though.

 

[Pinstar]

Do the younger brother have the born in purple trait and the elder don't have it?

Byzantine emperors had a tradition where you should be born son of a emperor to become emperor. So if the oldest son is born before your character became emperor, he cant inherit. Unless you give him the 'Despot' honorary title. This cant be changed back once done, so be careful with it. The sons with born in purple trait will not like to have a despot on the throne, though.

Bingo, that's my problem. My current ruler didn't take the throne until he was 39...at that point he had already had 5 kids...not in the purple. When I took control of him (and thus, he took the throne) and started making babies with his 2nd wife, THEY were born in the purple. The Empire title jumped over to the first purple son while all the kingdoms stayed with my first born.

Here is the real kicker. I can't bishop my first born because I already made him a baron (tossing him an extra barony to get rid of the unlanded son penalty) but I can't bishop my first born-in-the-purple son, as he's listed as my primary heir and the game won't let you do that.

So I'm basically left with two options, Murder my first born son or divy out my kingdom titles before I die to various vassals so that at the very least, they are all held by someone different and won't...as easily... band together to overthrow me.

 

[vwclaymore]

Third option is to make your first born Despot, so he inherits everything which is what you want.

 

[SRM]

Does your oldest son have better stats/traits than the Born in the Purple heir? If so, give him the Honorary title of Despot and he'll go back to being your heir again.

If not, goad him into doing something you can imprison him for, then castrate him. This should remove his ability to inherit, though you may have to deal with your other older kids.

 

[ziamatt]

If you revoke your first son's barony you should be able to make him a bishop.

 

[Pinstar]

Making him a Despot did nothing. He still didn't get the primary heir title and thus the empire.

Revoking his barony and giving him a bishopric did work....except that now all the kingdoms are going to his son...and he has three of them who's an even bigger mothball than his father.

As for who's better, my born in the purple son is only 8. Decent stat growth so far. My first born non purple has a sky high diplomacy...but crap stewardship. Looking at the family line, I'd have to hand out a LOT of bishoprics to bring the titles back to my born in the purple son...

 

[knppel]

I'd have to hand out a LOT of bishoprics to bring the titles back to my born in the purple son...

I just had the same problem as the op, just that in my case I did not have to revoke a barony from my (non-purple) eldest son, but the whole duchy of Baghdad and the Titular Despotat of Nubia:laugh:

 

[Herunaut]

So why exactly doesn't born in the purple precedence affect all titles held by the emperor?

 

[Darkgamma]

So why exactly doesn't born in the purple precedence affect all titles held by the emperor?

Because porphyrogenesis is a strictly Byzantine concept - it does not extend outside of New Rome.

 

[Herunaut]

Because porphyrogenesis is a strictly Byzantine concept - it does not extend outside of New Rome.

I think you misunderstood my question. What I meant was, basically, if the Byzantine emperor is also king of Greece, why doesn't he pass that title to his porphyrogenetic heir along with the the title of emperor?

 

[Gingerninja]

I think you misunderstood my question. What I meant was, basically, if the Byzantine emperor is also king of Greece, why doesn't he pass that title to his porphyrogenetic heir along with the the title of emperor?

To make a thorn in our sides.... Or because they didn't think about it. Maybe it'll be fixed by the next patch

 

[Darkgamma]

I think you misunderstood my question. What I meant was, basically, if the Byzantine emperor is also king of Greece, why doesn't he pass that title to his porphyrogenetic heir along with the the title of emperor?

No, you misunderstood my answer.
Only the Roman and Byzantine empires are influenced by porphyrogenesis. The kingdom of Greece doesn't care whether someone's porphyrogenetic or not.