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BTW,

this is our latest version on the French forum:

religions.bmp


After discussing with a french poster who is muslim and know a good deal about Islam, he explains us that the star, although being a islamic symbol (the five arms definitely representing the five pillars of Islam in muslim symbolism), probably has roots into other pre-islamic traditions.

Now, Sunni muslims had a tendency to incorporate the pre-islamic traditions into their faith, while Shia muslims tends to stick to the text and foresearch a "purest" form of Islam.

Hence, Abd thinks that the crescent with star whould be Sunni, while the crescent alone should be Shia.

That said, strictly historically, that's not true, as both symbols could be found in both branch of Islam, but:
1- The crescent with a star is definitely more islamic than the original EU2 crescent with a big round blob that doens't represent anything at all,
2 - This is as good as we can get in finding a reason to attribute one symbol to the Sunni and the other to the Shia.

Cat

PS: Sorry, I didn't have time to incorporate the new pagan symbol you made.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Another replacement

Originally posted by Mormegil
I know it should be there, thought it looks like the Jewish star...

But, as I said, I know it's historical.
BTW, the Jewish stars has six arms, while the Muslim stars has five.

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Originally posted by Angelos
Are these new symbols downloadable?How can they be put to use in the game?
Just right-click on the new symbols in my post and use "Save Picture As..." to get it on your hard drive.

Back up the original religion.bmp image in the Paradox EU2 GFX\Interface folder, and copy our new religion.bmp file there to replace it.

That's all.

Dead easy.

:)

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Originally posted by LordScod
Link No I saw it here. Its from 2002.

Ahhhhhhhhh I get what happened.

I used the same filename and put it in my pub folder, that's the wrong image for the IFU. The IFU file you refer to that I made isn't up anymore and that should be a dead link.

Weren't you confused by the lack of any christian symbols?

Either way, I was the post there as well, why didn't you credit me? :p
 

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Dont worry I gave you full credit read it agian.:)
 

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So where's this at? All here happy with the new looks?

If so I suggest you post in the main GD forum for more general feedback.
 

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Weren't the Incas sun-worshippers? I remember in the alternate history novel the Wheel of If they are definitely sun-worshippers; it's a pivotal point in the plot. Not that that alone is evidence toward it, but I assumed he was stealing from history rather than making up his own deities...
 

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How about turning the Yin-Yang symbol the right way? The dots should be on a vertical line not horizontal. The dark part forms the lower half in most (but not all) cases that I have checked.
 

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Originally posted by Cagliostro
Weren't the Incas sun-worshippers? I remember in the alternate history novel the Wheel of If they are definitely sun-worshippers; it's a pivotal point in the plot. Not that that alone is evidence toward it, but I assumed he was stealing from history rather than making up his own deities...

I'm afraid it is based on misconceptions/artistic lisence. Authors are prone to fake history even in factual history books, then why not even more in alternate history:(

First googled link

As in other pre-Columbian religions, Incan gods and goddesses actually represented a number of shifting and overlapping divine powers.

The upper pantheon contained a creator-sky-weather complex with three principal components: Viracocha, the creator; Inti, the sun god and ancestor of the ruling dynasty; and Illapa, the thunder or weather god. The most important female supernaturals were Pachamama, the earth; Mamacocha, the sea; and Mamaquilla, the moon.

The core of Incan religion was ancestor worship.

Ancestors were venerated as protective spirits, and the bodies and tombs of the dead were treated as sacred objects.

Many other important huacas were also explicitly identified with the ancestors. For example, some of the most important shrines around Cusco were believed to be the petrified forebears of the Incas. The bodies of dead rulers were among the holiest huacas in the Inca realm. As sons of Inti and embodiments of Illapa, the mummies of past rulers were the direct, visible links between the Incas and their pantheon. Maintaining these links, and through them the proper order of the universe, required perpetual care of the royal mummies.
 

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For added impact, separate post.

Weren't most pagan EU2-time religions more obvious about their 'ancestor-worship' part than the other religions?

But what would be a good symbol for ancestor worship?

A death's head?

A stick man?
 

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Originally posted by C.N.
How about turning the Yin-Yang symbol the right way? The dots should be on a vertical line not horizontal. The dark part forms the lower half in most (but not all) cases that I have checked.
Mmmh, good idea, that should be doable, i will see what I can do... :)

Cat

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Originally posted by Duke of Argyll
Umm...not to burst anyone's bubble...but were the Shi'ite and Sunni crescents switched deliberately?
Yes, they were, I explain why a bit further up in the thread... :)

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Don't think so... In my game the one with the little star innit is the Shi'ite one... which is correct...
 

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Originally posted by Mormegil
Don't think so... In my game the one with the little star innit is the Shi'ite one... which is correct...
Ttt, ttt, ttt...

Apart if you have changed them, I can assure you I swap them as you can see here:

Originally posted by Phillip V
Old ones:
religions.bmp

New ones:
religions.bmp


So, have another look in the game ;)

Cat
 
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Originally posted by Cat Lord
Ttt, ttt, ttt...

Apart if you have changed them, I can assure you I swap them as you can see here:



So, have another look in the game ;)

Cat

It's cause I use that on the top, but with a star:p

But, in my game it is the Shiite which has the start thingie... maybe I got one version before you guys changed it or something then... I've just played the Timurids/Mughals, and I know that the usual one is Sunni...:p


Weird :confused: :p
 

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Originally posted by Mormegil
It's cause I use that on the top, but with a star:p

But, in my game it is the Shiite which has the start thingie... maybe I got one version before you guys changed it or something then... I've just played the Timurids/Mughals, and I know that the usual one is Sunni...:p


Weird :confused: :p
Are you sure you are not mixing up the fact that the shields those appear on your provinces are not your main religion that should only appear on your capital ? ;)

Cat