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So, I'm somewhat ashamed to admit, but I am having a hell of a time playing as Michael Doukas. Everything goes fine until dad dies and I inherit the Empire. At which point, everyone pretty much revolts. Militarily, I'm able to crush most of the revolters, but some go on to revolt soon after conceding defeat.

When I play as one of the other dukes, and try to keep my nose down, I notice the AI has a much better success record of beating down to the revolts, even when I'm too busy to help (IE: conquering pesky muslims). I know that the revolts are pretty much inevitable and historical, but can anyone provide some tips?
 

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So, I'm somewhat ashamed to admit, but I am having a hell of a time playing as Michael Doukas. Everything goes fine until dad dies and I inherit the Empire. At which point, everyone pretty much revolts. Militarily, I'm able to crush most of the revolters, but some go on to revolt soon after conceding defeat.

When I play as one of the other dukes, and try to keep my nose down, I notice the AI has a much better success record of beating down to the revolts, even when I'm too busy to help (IE: conquering pesky muslims). I know that the revolts are pretty much inevitable and historical, but can anyone provide some tips?

Hey,

I just played that one myseld (for the 3rd time;p), even michael died before the emperor; so I was underaged son while I became emperor. As soon as I became the Empror however, this time I first looked at my vassal/rivals...found the most positive ones who were also noteworthy military (in my case the uncle in nikae and another which forgot)...

These were the only 2 dukes who did not rebel (also 2/3 counts not), besides them everyone else hated my gut. What I did was get my troops to Byzantium to defend, and let a stack of 7K through Greece...It took several years but slowley I got the upperhand...did use merc's tho to control the eastside of Byzy...so I guess it will be even harder in the full-release.

Ow yeah; save up some money, for when you are emperor -and/or invest in building which raise garrison-

But I'm just a beginer myself; probably some beter advise out there!
 

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I might have lowered crown authority, but I forget if you can even do that immediately. If you can, it will probably help.
 

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I've played Byzantines few times. About succession, check why they are revolting and fix it in next game. I've this problem in first game too, but I don't remember why. You can calm them down by gifts - 20 opinion, low title - 10-20 opinion (around 8 available titles, also make money) and releasing prisoner - 10 per prison. So if you fight some Muslims and release 10 prisoners you get +100 opinion. Keep some prisoners in cellar for bad times. Also get 20+ diplomat by searching character and using matrilinear marriage to get him to your court. If you don't have woman to marry diplomat, you can get one for money in intrigue window. Use diplomat mission to improve relations, if needed. You have some not Greek vassals, educate their heir to become Greek. Lower Feudal Levies to small and later to min. You will get better relations, which means more soldiers to compensate levies size.

I can give you some more tips, if you like.
 

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I've played Byzantines few times. About succession, check why they are revolting and fix it in next game. I've this problem in first game too, but I don't remember why. You can calm them down by gifts - 20 opinion, low title - 10-20 opinion (around 8 available titles, also make money) and releasing prisoner - 10 per prison. So if you fight some Muslims and release 10 prisoners you get +100 opinion. Keep some prisoners in cellar for bad times. Also get 20+ diplomat by searching character and using matrilinear marriage to get him to your court. If you don't have woman to marry diplomat, you can get one for money in intrigue window. Use diplomat mission to improve relations, if needed. You have some not Greek vassals, educate their heir to become Greek. Lower Feudal Levies to small and later to min. You will get better relations, which means more soldiers to compensate levies size.

I can give you some more tips, if you like.

This is all good stuff, I'd appreciate anything else fwiw. I tried this guy, wondered why he was even one of four choices til I saw Dad. At first it was a cakewalk, kicking Muslim a**es and raising heck. Then my un-inspected vassals started revolting, I picked up the Varangian guard but didn't do much else right.

Just cause it's a Demo doesn't mean you can speed through the game, sometimes you have to slow down time even when not much is happening every day.
 

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Just played a very fun 20 years that makes me really wish the game wasn't a demo. I was determined to do everything in my power to keep the revolts from happening. And I did!

First off, I kept my court doing its damnedest to increase relations between Mike and everyone else; any other dukes that had a low opinion of me, and the Patriarch, just to be safe (does him having a high opinion of you have any good side effects, like increasing other Orthodox opinions of you?). Of course, as soon as the Patriarch got a high opinion of me, he died, and the new guy wasn't all that keen, but I was too busy converting my new muslim territories to care.

Then bam, just as I made some headway with making the other dukes happy, Mike died. Of course. Leaving his 2 year old son (born in 1068, so he'd only be 18 by the time the game ended. Agh) to pick up where he left off. I did manage to get him betrothed to a underage Duchess of Cyberawahteveroia who didn't particularly like him, that helped. Then, well before I was ready, grandpa died, putting this kid on the throne.

But, somehow, I managed to not have many vassals that wanted to revolt; as opposed to about a dozen who had low opinions whenever Mike took the throne, I only have about 4 or 5, who were easily placated with some land and titles (okay, lots of land and titles).

Held a feast, that helped out, too. And, lucky me, I inherited some prisoners to release from the Suljuk war. Speaking of the Suljuks, Mosul declared their independence and managed to hold it, creating a nice buffer state, so I never had to worry about an invasion. I spent the rest of my childhood conquering minor Muslim states (Edessa auto-peaced with me right as I was laying siege to their last county, obnoxious), and bribing people where necessary. I didn't conquer as much as I could have, since I was still paranoid of revolts. Also, I found that some people really liked it when I told them to stop their plots; is there a downside to constantly ordering people in your realm to stop their plots (so long as you make sure to only boss around the ones that will listen)?

I came of age, went hunting twice, married my duchess (who stayed in her territory, rather than come to court and let me inherit her lands. lame), and encountered a bug where I couldn't pick a new ambition (clicked the wrong one, cancelled it, all others were grayed out). I was going to aim for the prestige or piety ambition, too bad I already passed both (I'm hoping the release version will have higher tiers of those ambitions). Then time ran out.

All in all, a blast of a game. Even managed to outscore the 2nd dynasty on the score chart (Godwinson?). Wahoo.
 

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Mike has rubbish traits which don't help with the whole revolt after inheritance thing so if your son was not as bad as mike that should help
 

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Mike has rubbish traits which don't help with the whole revolt after inheritance thing so if your son was not as bad as mike that should help

The most important thing to do with Mike is send him hunting, in hopes that the event that gives him the diligent trait will fire to replace slothful. That helps alot; it ammounts to +2 for all his stats.
 

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So, I'm somewhat ashamed to admit, but I am having a hell of a time playing as Michael Doukas. Everything goes fine until dad dies and I inherit the Empire. At which point, everyone pretty much revolts. Militarily, I'm able to crush most of the revolters, but some go on to revolt soon after conceding defeat.

When I play as one of the other dukes, and try to keep my nose down, I notice the AI has a much better success record of beating down to the revolts, even when I'm too busy to help (IE: conquering pesky muslims). I know that the revolts are pretty much inevitable and historical, but can anyone provide some tips?
You should have a bit of extra money for some mercs. Aside from that, ransoms from say, the Seljuks, can pay off handsomely as a spare source of income. Also, why not imprison the fools who revolt against you? Hard to do anything from in there ;)
 

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The most important thing to do with Mike is send him hunting, in hopes that the event that gives him the diligent trait will fire to replace slothful. That helps alot; it ammounts to +2 for all his stats.
just played another game as mike last night, had only a daughter, captured tripoli and those two costal provinces in the duchy of Galillee and make myself duke, the mike dies and daughter inherits at 6 so no longer in line to be emperor, when my mum dies I get a claim on the Kingdom of Georgia so i go and make myself Queen now about 12 betroth myself to the former 14 year old King of Georgia who is now a duke, game ends not long after our marriage
 

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I had a bizarrely successful demo game with the Byzantines. Started off as Mike Doukas, bumped off the Emperor in a year or two (not that hard to get backers for plots in Byzantium :D ), and inherited the Empire and a war with the Seljuks, who were going after Armenia. After mobilizing pretty much everyone in Asia Minor, I ended up with a 10k doomstack, which dealt a decisive blow to an 8k Turkish army - in a sort of reverse Manzikert, the Turks were utterly annihilated in two battles, and several of their commanders were captured and executed. Then I went rampaging around Kurdistan and got a white peace just as another 7k stack of Turks was descending upon my remaining forces. After that, they were quiet, licking their wounds I guess. Alp Arslan got a nice little hit to piety and prestige. Meanwhile, the Emperor died on campaign (of purely natural causes, I'm sure), leaving the throne to his infant daughter Eudokia, with the Empress acting as regent. Strangely enough, there were precious few rebellions throughout. There was a lot of demands from vassals to intervene in disputes and let them punish the people who were trying to shank them in the kidneys. The Armenians got some of the Muslim OPMs in the neighborhood, and I took down the Emirate of Derbent in the East, giving the titles to a bunch of random dudes. Up at the borders, I took Korchev from the Russian guy and Galaz from the Pecheneg remnants. In the West, I took out the Serbian duchies, and later on took Apulia, which was overrun by the Muslims a while back. Empress Eudokia was raised by a number of people, last of which was Borkvard, captain of the Varangians and marshal of the Empire, so she ended up a brilliant strategist and married an Arpad prince (couldn't find anyone else of suitable rank).

I really wanted to play that one further, having the resurgent Empire under its young warrior-empress strike back and reclaim former glories, especially as a jihad for Alexandretta was called that would certainly make things interesting. I suppose Michael dying early (not two years into his reign) staved off the vassal rebellions, or in a fit of ahistorically sensible thinking, people wisely put "not getting overrun by Turks" before "becoming Emperor". :)

As for tips, I dunno. I think I just struck it lucky that one time. Getting rid of Michael Doukas as early as possible is probably a good idea. Have him hunt, lead armies to battle, or wrestle bears while covered in honey, or just piss off people with high intrigue. After that, just create new Duchies (there's a lot that you can make right off the bat) and pass them on to people. I find giving a lot of titles to random people makes them like you more - if you make some low-rate random courtier a baron, bishop or mayor, then a count, then a Duke, they end up with 100 relations. Having your underlings owe everything they have to you is a very good way to avoid being shanked in the kidneys.
 

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Bribe them with daddy's big treasury(you inherit a lot usually), give away titles, if needed give them what they want in respect of land(too a degree ofc, need some power base yourself). Oh, and if you release a prisoner, that's +10 relations with all, you being so kind and all. :)
 

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Played a very successful game as Konstantinos, looking to see just how much I could get done within the 20 years (well, 17 years; I had to head to work). Something I'd overlooked repeatedly was that his second son, Andronikos, is leagues above Michael in terms of stats. So, I divised a very specific plan:
- Before unpausing, betroth all the underage kids to whomever seemed the most useful. Lots of old kings eager to marry my pre-teen daughters. Whatever, I had no problem whoring them out for prestige.
- Put my marshal and spymaster to work in Adrianople.
- Declare war on those three tiny states in Syria. Levy everyone, call the Georgian alliance in. Unpause.
- Dedicate 2000 or so soldiers to taking the coastal states, the rest of the army to one or two provinces, as supply limit allows, to smack down Alp. As the costal states fall, give the churches to bishops and the Patriarch for piety.
- When you can white peace out of the Seljuk war, do so; Alp loses enough just by agreeing to a white peace that its not worth it to waste time and soldiers on your pride. By this point, I've saved up enough money to create two or three titles for myself, to give out as I see fit, and to get the 1000 prestige to get the Renown ambition. But thats ancillary.
- Excommunicate Mike. By this point, the Patriarch should like you enough, and, odds are, just normal game play will get Mike not liking you or the Patriarch. If you can arrest Mike, great. If not, just use the might of the Empire to smack him down. Worst case scenario, he's conquered Wallachia. Oh well, not like he'll get any troops there. Once he's imprisoned, you can go about revoking his ducal title (hopefully only the one) and executing him. Bam, Andy, with his much improved states (and, usually, marriage to a hungarian princess, since he's too young to betroth to the Kaiser's sister) is your next in line.

At this point, I go about my other goals: Revoking the the baronies of the other castles in the county of Byznation, and smacking down as many muslims as possible. Konstantinos goes down in history as the Great, Andronikos, even as young as he is by the time 1086 rolls by, manages to get the Pious pretty easily.