Tips for Mexico?

[High_King]

Previously on these forums I put up an identical thread asking how to make a go of it as Neutral Saudi Arabia and some of the responses were insanely helpful and enlightening and helped me to up my game as tiny minor nations.

So I thought it'd be beneficial to do the same again in a far more claustrophobic environment: Making a go of it as Mexico.

As with the Sauds, my preference for Mexico would be to stay neutral, working down the Central American subcontinent until I reach Colombia before expanding into South America (probably using a quick naval invasion to hop Panama Canal while I'm at it).

This is likely impossible thanks to the Pax Americana and, even though I don't think it's trigger in a Historical game, it's not likely the United States will let me simply run rampant even if I was to stick the game on Historical Focuses (Which I'd rather not do, anyway, but for purposes of planning this out in theory I'm not going to rule it out).

So those are my preferences: Neutral Mexico in an Ahistoric Game.

That may be impossible - As soon as I'm strong enough to do anything (and have passed the 50% world tension limit for neutral justifications) America may simply curb stomp me with an ultimatum to stand down.

If that is indeed the case, then I'm curious - will America actually act to defend Latin American states BEFORE it has triggered the Pax Americana? (To put that another way - in a Historic game, where Pax Americana isn't triggered, will I have to worry about the US?)

If all else fails I'll have no choice but to simply flip Mexico fascist, join the Axis and try against all odds to take America off the board (and with it, Canada), before turning around and building my Latin American empire. That may lead to an All-American Mexican Empire which isn't too bad an idea, but still not where my preference would have lain.

If anybody has any suggestions or experience in this regard - not just with the question of Pax Americana but also the mechanical details of playing Mexico and trying to do all this (I've never played them before), I'm eager to hear tips and suggestions and ideas. Thanks!

 

[Bernard95]

They will eventually do the Pax Americana in either mode, and that alone is what enables them to intervene in your wars. In ahistorical mode actually, they tend to rush the Pax America whereas in historical mode they'll put it off a little longer.

 

[davej]

I've done fascist Mexico a couple of times. One was for the Montezuma's Revenge achievement.

You can easily take all of central america and some of northern SA . Nobody will bother you. Countries like Columbia and Ecuador are difficult mountainous terrain, so that can give you issues to annex. The Amazon too with the jungles is tedious, it can take a month to travel one province. I take up to Venezuela for the oil and maybe Columbia too if the US is still cool with it.

Trying to build a superpower in the Americas against the US, the hardest hurdle IMO is getting enough steel. Once most countries go closed economy or you're war enemies, you will have a steel crisis to deal with. Make sure you've stockpiled enough supplies.

If you can convert the US to a fascist government, they won't honor Pax Americana. The country you attack will turn to Comintern for help, which is much easier to deal with. Good luck.

 

[rcbricker33]

The problem is that eventually (once WT gets high enough) your attacks will cause your victim to join a faction. I believe that once WT hits 80% then unaligned can join factions. I could be off-base on the % so search for it, or some here might be able to give a definite answer. The second problem is after WT hits 25% then the allied nations can start guarantying countries that are targeted by justifications of war. This isn't too bad as the UK tends to keep out of SA.

The USA will eventually complete Pax Americana and then you are into it. I would suggest just taking out the USA first. Build around 50 or so divisions and attack as soon as you can get the justification done. Work on encircling as many of their troops as possible and take as much territory as you can for the factories. You need to conquer the mid-west and the east coast from NC on up to Maine to get them to Capitulate.

GL

 

[bitmode]

Pax Americana is also currently bugged because you can just leave the notification of the US ultimatum open, finish conquering the other country and then answer you'll back down

 

[davej]

The problem is that eventually (once WT gets high enough) your attacks will cause your victim to join a faction. I believe that once WT hits 80% then unaligned can join factions.

GL

Not only do they join, but they join without your authorization if you're faction leader, which is ridiculous.

Pax Americana is also currently bugged because you can just leave the notification of the US ultimatum open, finish conquering the other country and then answer you'll back down

ha. wow.