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Of course, Bohemia is not a vassal in-game, but De Jure it was a “vassal” of the HRE.
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Timurids should start as an empire.
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Of course, Bohemia is not a vassal in-game, but De Jure it was a “vassal” of the HRE.
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So you're saying you were trolling with your previous post?
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So are the Timurids vassals in 1444? If not, what would prevent them from being an empire.
Also, slightly off-topic, but when WERE the Mughals vassals of anyone?
Only once - when Marathas put a final end to their power in 1737 and captured Delhi under the leadership of Peshwa (Prime Minister) Baji Rao I. Their remaining territory became autonomous and only tied to Mughal Empire in name.
After that, Mughals were passed around like a toy to the hands of invading Afghans under Ahmad Shah Abdali and his assortment of puppet courtiers (1761), back to Maratha Empire again under leadership of Mahadaji Shinde (1771) and then finally the British who immediately disbanded the last remaining soldiers of Mughal army (1803).
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The #1 reason they succumb to rebels is a consistently ahistoric NDNHE spamming the heck out of rebels to an extent that only Ming and NED owner might otherwise see. Odd alliance choices don't help them, and neither does starting as a horde (which makes the kind of sense that starting Ottomans as a horde makes), but they most frequently shatter because they're given special, nation-specific screw-jobs with the express purpose of them shattering, probably because people complained when it didn't happen in previous patches and they conquered a couple giant Siberian provinces.
That made them "look too big" and let to junk like the "post your AI Timurids" threads as if it were actually a significant problem if a Timurids that didn't get conquered picked up maybe ~100 - 200 development over the timeframe instead. Somehow you never found this same crowd arguing for the partition of Poland to happen with the same heavy frequency due to NDNHE, curious how that works.
NDNHE?
Extrapolating from DHE(Dynamic Historical Events), I'm guessing Non-Dynamic, Non-Historical Events...? Although that does sound quite cheeky when spelled out loud.
Because Timudurids never referred them self as Timurid, but as Gurkani did they also call the confederation Gurkan Emirates?
If Mughals should be duke rank at late years, then Byzantium should be duke rank too.
Government ranks are too gamey and simplized now. Though it has little meaning in the game, something like forced duke rank for vassals, duke for grand duchy of Lithuania and Austria, king for grand principality of Muscowy looks weird.
And 'vassal' in EU4 should get out of feudal system. If a nation vassalizes other, their relation should be something like a relation between France and Batavian republic, not Fance and Bearn. New estate system should represent feudal vassals.
Government ranks are too gamey and simplized now. Though it has little meaning in the game, something like forced duke rank for vassals, duke for grand duchy of Lithuania and Austria, king for grand principality of Muscowy looks weird.
And 'vassal' in EU4 should get out of feudal system. If a nation vassalizes other, their relation should be something like a relation between France and Batavian republic, not Fance and Bearn. New estate system should represent feudal vassals.
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I reserve it for things like Burgundy Inheritance and the Timurid events etc. Not any true historic basis for how the event unfolds, and dynamics that make it overwhelmingly likely in scenarios where it didn't happen in history...scenarios that would not allow them to be plausible. NED falls under this category too.
Most events are at least somewhat based in history's circumstances that caused them and have requirements that have a reasonable likelihood of not occurring. The NDNHE lack one or both, making them neither
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Timurids fall under rebels because of the freakin huge amount of WE they get just with a stack of 10 regiments. Their manpower is depleted in few decades.
Buff Akkoyonlu!
Gurkani, iirc, means in english "in-laws". So this is how Timur's dynasty did things - after a staggering 15+ million deaths and Timur's own death -to sign bits of his territory off to relatives of which Babur was ,eventually, one. The Great Mughals by Bamber Gascoigne is an excellent read on the subj. btw. I guess "Gurkani Emirates" sounds appropriate.
Gurkani, iirc, means in english "in-laws". So this is how Timur's dynasty did things - after a staggering 15+ million deaths and Timur's own death -to sign bits of his territory off to relatives of which Babur was ,eventually, one. The Great Mughals by Bamber Gascoigne is an excellent read on the subj. btw. I guess "Gurkani Emirates" sounds appropriate.
The term refers to their lineage. It's the only way steppe society rulers could claim legitimacy for a long time, to be descended from Genghis Khan. The apanages you speak of were quite typical of Timurid administration, but I seriously doubt it has anything to do with how they called their dynasty. They were just a way to assign house members as governors of provinces while dividing their inheritance beforehand (as the Turkish/Turko-Mongol open succession system essentially gave equal rights to the father's titles to all sons, and also allowed all family members to be pretenders to the throne). This is the main reason so many pretenders could rise in steppe-culture empires (like the Mongol successor states, the Ottoman empire, the Timurid empire, etc.) and why they could fraction easily, as each could build their own power base while doing their administrative duties.
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