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It would be a much needed buff to the timurids. And they actually were an empire.
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Timurids should start as an empire.
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Hm, not really. After Akkoyonlu's carving up of Persia, the remnants were known as the Timurid Emirates, a confederation. This occurred soon after the beginning of EUs time frame. Arguably, (and correct me if I am wrong) but its fairer to call the older 'empire' the 'Timurid Dynasty' and hangers-on.
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Except that in 1444 Akkoyunlu was still a stinking minor and had nothing to do with the Timurids. I could do a lot of horrible things with that logic you used, but I won't torment you.
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Does it matter game play wise it's less autonomy and one more general considering the timurids face huge rebel problems if you want to boost them give them more manpower
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But it does give them more manpower?
Empire rank hordes get: +75% manpower and land forcelimit, +1 diplomat, +1 leader, -0.05 autonomy.
Tormenting is a waste of your energy, best spent elsewhere. Has no-one ever told you?
Regardless, take a peek at Uzun Hassan's comings and goings. Hardly a minor anything.
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Ah hordes I forgot then yes it would help us out realistic idk much of their history
Well actually, both the Aq Qoyunlu and Qara Qoyunlu were vassals of the Timurids in 1444 (I think, might be off a few years).
They shouldn't even be a horde in the first place though. So if they did actually to fix the Timurids, it wouldn't be an issue.
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That reminds me, Mughals too should historically remain an empire all the time. The later start dates for some reason reduce their status to a duchy, even though they were legitimately recognized as the real Indian Empire and retained the full title of Emperor of Emperors/Badshah Zille Ilahi/Samrat Chakravartin all the way to their last day of existence in 1857.
Not to mention the Mughal Empire was ruled by the Timurid dynasty, even though they managed to fully Indianize themselves by 1580s.
By that logic Byzantium should start as a duchy too considering they were, like Mughals, reduced from a gigantic empire to effectively a poor city state in their last decades.
Not to mention the Mughal Empire was ruled by the Timurid dynasty, even though they managed to fully Indianize themselves by 1580s.
By that logic Byzantium should start as a duchy too considering they were, like Mughals, reduced from a gigantic empire to effectively a poor city state in their last decades.
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Vassals are always rank 1, so when the Mughal Emperors start talking orders from others they are automatically demoted to duchy rank.
Thats the only reason.
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Well the Timmies can use the manpower! I think the no1 reason for them succumbing to rebels is the fact that they run out of troops.
Ah, probably because they become Maratha vassals by 1737 (Baji Rao's Siege of Delhi) and remain someone's subjects, tossed around various nations until their eventual end. Many thanks for clarification.
Empire-level vassals remaining empire-level, when they become subjects would be nice though, even though the change is more in name than anything.
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I'm pretty sure that the reason electors in the HRE are allowed to be Kingdom rank in-game is specifically because Bohemia was allowed to remain a Kingdom when it joined the empire.Say it to the Holy Roman Empire and Kingdom of Bohemia
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The #1 reason they succumb to rebels is a consistently ahistoric NDNHE spamming the heck out of rebels to an extent that only Ming and NED owner might otherwise see. Odd alliance choices don't help them, and neither does starting as a horde (which makes the kind of sense that starting Ottomans as a horde makes), but they most frequently shatter because they're given special, nation-specific screw-jobs with the express purpose of them shattering, probably because people complained when it didn't happen in previous patches and they conquered a couple giant Siberian provinces.
That made them "look too big" and let to junk like the "post your AI Timurids" threads as if it were actually a significant problem if a Timurids that didn't get conquered picked up maybe ~100 - 200 development over the timeframe instead. Somehow you never found this same crowd arguing for the partition of Poland to happen with the same heavy frequency due to NDNHE, curious how that works
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The #1 reason they succumb to rebels is a consistently ahistoric NDNHE spamming the heck out of rebels to an extent that only Ming and NED owner might otherwise see. Odd alliance choices don't help them, and neither does starting as a horde (which makes the kind of sense that starting Ottomans as a horde makes), but they most frequently shatter because they're given special, nation-specific screw-jobs with the express purpose of them shattering, probably because people complained when it didn't happen in previous patches and they conquered a couple giant Siberian provinces.
That made them "look too big" and let to junk like the "post your AI Timurids" threads as if it were actually a significant problem if a Timurids that didn't get conquered picked up maybe ~100 - 200 development over the timeframe instead. Somehow you never found this same crowd arguing for the partition of Poland to happen with the same heavy frequency due to NDNHE, curious how that works
So clearly the best solution was to make Timurids have a capital in Europe.
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Say it to the Holy Roman Empire and Kingdom of Bohemia
Don't know if people are misunderstanding what Trin said...
In the game vassals are always rank 1. Mughals became vassals from time to time in their history, so in the game they get demoted to rank 1. Only way to keep Mughals as empire rank while still being a vassal, without affecting everybody else, would be to create a unique government for Mughals that is fixed to rank 3.
Bohemia is not a vassal in the game.
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