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Oh, don't forget to change the Bavarian possession of Mainz to the correct Kaiserslauten.

Does Russia have a good navy? I feel like that is the next step in projecting power.

Russia has a decent navy, by tech it's on par with Italy and Japan, IIRC. The Russian Imparial Navy has about 40-45 battleships (dreadnoughts, etc...) and is the 5th largest in the world. I do plan to increase my navy greatly and break Britains tradition of having a navy bigger as the numbers 2 and 3 combined :D
 

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A small overview of Russia after the Great War

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A Map of Post War Europe

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Political and social reforms overview of Russia post-war

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The Russian budget, with her debt now transferred to Germany, Russia was making a slight profit and with additional funds coming in from Vienna and Budapest slight industrial expansions could be planned for the near future, as well as expanding the army and navy.

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Russia’s techs in March 1917. On industrial and commercial level, Russia is far behind in comparison to her Western allies. Her naval and army techs on the other hand are on par with most European nations, except the more powerful ones. This shortcoming will be balanced by Russia’s sheer manpower available.

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Army comparison in March 1917. Russia is only short 7 divisions from being the largest landpower, but her army has a size that’s nearly double of the number 3 on the list: Britain.

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Naval comparison in March 1917. Russia’s navy is the 5th largest in the world, ahead of France, but behind Japan and Italy. Currently there are an additional 5 warships still in the drydocks, which upon completion will but Russia above Italy and close to Japan.
 

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Very nice, I wonder where you expand next :cool:

a Turkish state would be cool, aswell as a Finnish Grand Duchy ;)
 

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Very nice, I wonder where you expand next :cool:

a Turkish state would be cool, aswell as a Finnish Grand Duchy ;)

I've plenty of choice to expand; Central Asia, the Far East, the Balkans, Scandinavia... And it isn't all that good as it seems. If I strike somewhere first, other regional powers (like Japan and Italy) will most likely build up their forces to counter a possible Russian expansion in their region.

What will happen to Anatolia, I'll keep to myself for now :D I do have some ideas in my head. The question is do we want a strong Turkey or a weak Ottoman Empire? As for Finland, I never had the intention of holding on to it for too long post-war. I don't know the industrial capabilities of Finland (most likely liquor and wood factories) it might be wiser to grant them limited autonomy within the Russian Empire, although doing so might upset the Poles even further.

It might take awhile before I'll have the next update ready, as I need to think about a decent story line for Russia (and possibly other powers as well)
 

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A strong Tyrkey can be controlled, although give a headache if Russia were to face serious trouble. A weak Ottoman empire, otoh, will probably give constant headache and unstability in the region.
 

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Hm you could strike into the Far East. And it would be interesting to have a strong Turkey.
 

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congratulations on a well waged war! superb read too.

are you considering releasing czechoslovakia as a puppet? purely historically speaking (for what its worth) the population might not be too keen on being part of a russian state (as that was a movement in the mid 19th century and was all but gone by the 20th).

i think a russian civil war might be quite a spectacle aar-wise if youre feeling apocalyptic. :) maybe triggered by the assasination of the czar?
 

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A strong Tyrkey can be controlled, although give a headache if Russia were to face serious trouble. A weak Ottoman empire, otoh, will probably give constant headache and unstability in the region.

A strong, militaristic Turkey can cause a severe headache. The possibilities are endless with 3 great powers and 2 minor powers trying to increase their influence over Turkey.

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Hm you could strike into the Far East. And it would be interesting to have a strong Turkey.

With the Chinese Civil War coming soon, I can see a Russian involvement. More specifically, to contain Japanese power in Manchuria and the Far East. A strong Turkey might be in the interest of Russia, as it will undoubtedly hinder any Franco-Anglo adventures in the area.

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congratulations on a well waged war! superb read too.

are you considering releasing czechoslovakia as a puppet? purely historically speaking (for what its worth) the population might not be too keen on being part of a russian state (as that was a movement in the mid 19th century and was all but gone by the 20th).

i think a russian civil war might be quite a spectacle aar-wise if youre feeling apocalyptic. :) maybe triggered by the assasination of the czar?

Thank you!

I do plan to withdraw from Bohemia and Slovakia in due time, but most likely the two will be seperated. IIRC historicallly they joined each other to balance things in Central Europe, as neither Slovakia nor Bohemia were strong enough to resist a Polish or Hungarian invasion. Now I doubt I want to see a strong regional power.

The problem is I have done major work on the Russian Civil War, but now I can't show of that work. I think that with a victory, the Russian Tsar has bought himself some time to implement reforms and lessen the resentment along the lower classes, but only time will tell if he actually does that...
 

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Certainly an interesting post-Great War world.....

I'd agree with striking in the Far East, such as challenging Japan for it's Korean territory or putting pressure on the Republic of China, particulary over Mongolia.

And for the Middle East, how about if you try to make sure that a possible Republican uprising is loyal to you and not either the British or French. ;)

Last but not least, you have a very high Fascist supporting populace. Perhaps this could in turn see a sort of Nationalist or Fascist party getting into power with the Tsar still at the top, kind of like Italy almost.

Would make for interesting gameplay circumstances. And you could write about what happened to Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, etc.

Will they still be plotting for a Communist rise, despite now with the populace supporting between Conservatism and Fascism?

Write on, my good sir.
 

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Certainly an interesting post-Great War world.....

I'd agree with striking in the Far East, such as challenging Japan for it's Korean territory or putting pressure on the Republic of China, particulary over Mongolia.

And for the Middle East, how about if you try to make sure that a possible Republican uprising is loyal to you and not either the British or French. ;)

Last but not least, you have a very high Fascist supporting populace. Perhaps this could in turn see a sort of Nationalist or Fascist party getting into power with the Tsar still at the top, kind of like Italy almost.

Would make for interesting gameplay circumstances. And you could write about what happened to Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, etc.

Will they still be plotting for a Communist rise, despite now with the populace supporting between Conservatism and Fascism?

Write on, my good sir.

I might strike into China when the time is right (Civil War would be a good timing). As for containing Japan, pushing them out of Korea might be interesting, but I prefer the return of Port Arthur. The only problem with containing Japan is that I need a large Pacific Fleet, which is bigger as the combined Japanese fleet. I'm not prepared to sail my Baltic fleet across Africa, as we all know what happened when they did that.

I think the only way to have a loyal, strong Turkish Republic is that if I secede certain territories to them. While I can live without Trabzon and Van, Constantinople will have to remain within Russian hands.

As for the fascists, this is based on the voting rights, thus it gives a slightly distorted view. The conservatives do form a majority of the population, followed by the liberals, who are just slightly ahead of the fascists (who have about 15% IIRC) and lastly there are the socialists with less as 8% of the population. I doubt we'll see any Trotsky or Stalin in this time line, most likely Lenin will try to start a revolution in another nation (Germany for example) Communism and socialism aren't well established within Russia at the moment, but with a rapid industrialization that might change.

PS: An update will be ready by this evening
 

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March 1917 - September 1917

One thing was proven during the Great War of 1914-1917; Russia’s economy wasn’t able to sustain a long all-out war against a major opponent. On the economical level Russia was far behind, technologically, on Western Europe. A solution to rapid industrialization was found within the army, it was backwards compared to Germany, but the sheer number of Russian troops defeated them. Industries had to be expanded to produce a big surplus of much need materials, such as steel, glass, ammunition, lumber and ships.

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The rapid expansion of nearly 30 heavy factory complexes across Russia would hit Russia’s treasury hard, as by the end of the first phase, a small debt of 50,000 rubles had been acquired. The first phase, lasting from March, 1917, to the end of September, 1917 would be completed by mid 1919 at the latest. In the mean time stockpiles would be stored for the second phase of expansion and upgrading the railway system in Russia, connecting all economical and strategical areas with each other.

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By October 1917 foreign diplomacy was surging again and alliances were forged again. Italy’s aggressive stand in the Balkan did not easy tension in Western Europe. With the invasion of Italian troops in Albania, fears of a new war started to rise again. Although Britain initially condemned the actions in Albania, they did try to seek an alliance with the Russians, who in turn rebuffed the British offer. In Paris fears were growing of an Italian invasion of Tunisia and diplomatic overtures were made towards Russia. Unlike the British offer, the Russians did accept the French offer.

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During this time the Imperial Navy ordered the construction of 1 dreadnought, 1 pre-dreadnought and 2 light cruisers to be constructed. The Great War had damaged the Imperial Navy and now it had to regain her losses. In September, 1917, the navy was reformed and divided into fiver separate groups. The first, the Baltic Fleet, was to operate in the Baltic Sea and the North Sea and would consist of 20-25 ships. The Arctic fleet, based in Murmansk, would count 5 lighter ships and patrol the Arctic waters and along the Norwegian coast. The Black Sea fleet would be expanded to a total of 15 ships and would mainly see service in the Black Sea, but also see action in the Mediterranean, where it would assist the newly found Mediterranean Fleet. The new fleet would consist of 25-30 ships and based in Constantinople. Last, but not least, was the Pacific Fleet, which had to be build from scratch and received priority over all the other fleets. The Pacific Fleet would only be provided with the most modern ships and the amount of ships in the fleet would be at least 25. Construction of the new ships would commence immediately and estimations on the completion varied from 1925 to 1935, but once it was finished, the Russian Imperial Navy could challenge the Royal Navy.
 

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Wow! This rapid buildup makes me thing where you're heading..

Asia? :cool:
 

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Hopefully this early five year plan will boost Russia and prepare for the coming encore
 

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Wow! This rapid buildup makes me thing where you're heading..

Asia? :cool:

Before any additional territorial acquisition can take place, I've to get my economy in order. Since my commercial techs are crap, I can't rely on my capis to do the hard work for me. So expansions of factories, railroading, etc.. have to be done manually. My naval build up is more to accomodate my new acquisitions, as well as to replace the losses of the past wars.

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Hopefully this early five year plan will boost Russia and prepare for the coming encore

I'll need plenty of five year plans before my economy will be in order and I can actually afford to go to war. Fortunately I gained Europes finest coal and iron deposits, so my steel related economy will blossom. However, with more industry and hardly any social reforms (and the ones I do have I can hardly afford) I smell civil unrest for years to come. Plus nationalism is roaring it's ugly head.
 
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You should really continue this in HoI2 ^^


Yeah that would be nice :cool:
 

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Social Unrest? Bah! Look at the Pugachev Rebellion... things are never as hopeless as they seem. So long as the Tsar embraces the Russian maxim of pleasing the Military and Nobility, a few token reforms should be enough to placate the middle class. After all, the October Manifesto broke the 1905 revolution, and Stolyipin's land reform was looking promising. Not to mention that his extreme punitive measures were baring fruit in less domestic terrorism. With a victory like this, and the resources at hand... Nothing should stop the Tsar's triumphant march through Paris in 1944 hearkening back to Alexander.
 

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Da Swede said:
You should really continue this in HoI2 ^^

The plans are there, I can only hope it gets better as my last attempt to convert a game.

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Yeah that would be nice :cool:

Of course it would! Imagine how quickly Germany will be defeated ;)

More seriously, I do think a Second Great War will errupt, but who will be involved remains unknown for now, although I do suspect that Russia will play a part in it.

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Social Unrest? Bah! Look at the Pugachev Rebellion... things are never as hopeless as they seem. So long as the Tsar embraces the Russian maxim of pleasing the Military and Nobility, a few token reforms should be enough to placate the middle class. After all, the October Manifesto broke the 1905 revolution, and Stolyipin's land reform was looking promising. Not to mention that his extreme punitive measures were baring fruit in less domestic terrorism. With a victory like this, and the resources at hand... Nothing should stop the Tsar's triumphant march through Paris in 1944 hearkening back to Alexander.

Most of the social unrest comes from predictable places, though, the Baltic states, Poland and the newly acquired territories. Although militancy for the middle classes is rising slowly. Further social reforms are necessary, but extremely expansive (in 1920 Russia will pass the 200 million mark in population) Of course we still have our army to crush any revolutionaries, but I believe some political and/or social reforms are necessary to keep the Romanovs in power (if I just could afford my social spending)

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hmm, rapid industrialization and continental empire with a bit of social problems AND you want to expand the navy to challenge Britain's? :eek:o well, best of luck to you!

and continuing into HOI would really be cool

:D There is no point in expanding the army as I already have the largest army available. Although the French have a bigger army, they also need a lot of troops in their colonies. Considering my direct neighbours, I only have Japan to worry about and to a lesser extend France and Britain. In Central Europe there is no-one to challenge me for my hegemony.
 

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Any world war without Russia isn't a world war. Anyway, I haven't got internet connection at home for now, so I couldn't follow this but well done, a great achievement. Now, rapid industrialization is the most important thing of course, but if you convert it to HoI2, you should of course make it a bit interesting, like your last attempt, or otherwise, you'd steamroll everyone...