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Kurt_Steiner

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And now... once the winter of our discontent is over and peace is the ruler... what will happen to the Romanov dinasty?

Has the Revolution been avoided?

What are the Poles going to do now?
 

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Great! Good gains you have there.;) Now I look forward to the next years and what will happen in Russia and its neighbours!:D
 

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haha holy sh*t, thats not so bad... kinda like the opposite of Brest-Litvosk... can't wait to see what'll happen next
-Maximilliano
 

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Yuriswe said:

Victory is ours! (Despite the French stole it from us :mad: )

Eärendil said:
Well done!

Can you show us the rest of Europe?

I'll do in the next update. I'll have to mod some things first, though.

Herbert West said:
Победа и Слава для России!

*gets out 1500 page counting dictionary and starts translating*

Unfortunately the French stole it from us (Metz was the last province needed to fulfill the occupation trigger) and I didn't get to enter Berlin... Still we did most of the fighting.

Prinz Wilhelm said:

Thanks to you and Semper Victor I could at least fill half of my armies with leaders. Now onwards to new successes

Kurt_Steiner said:
And now... once the winter of our discontent is over and peace is the ruler... what will happen to the Romanov dinasty?

Has the Revolution been avoided?

What are the Poles going to do now?

Of course someone has to ruin the victory party :p

THE revolution has been avoided, but I don't excluded the possibility of another revolution. Although this doesn't necessarily mean the overthrowing of the monarchy or the Romanov dynasty. It might as well be just a palace coup, especially with a weak leader and his heir is most likely not being able to rise to the throne.

As for the Poles... Their militancy increase has been nullified by the 'The Map of Europe is Redrawn' event :D Although I do suspect some problems with them along the way.

Da Swede said:
That wasn't a hard enough peacetreaty for Germany imo. You should've punished them even further, to prevent a revenge war later.

Most of their penalties will be handled with events (Independent Rheinland, demilitarization, limitations on their military, limitations on their war economy, war indemnities events, plus a lot of anti-military or pacifist parties) Of course, with an independent Bavaria the question is will Germany remain unified or will it collapse further.

Nikolai said:
Great! Good gains you have there. ;) Now I look forward to the next years and what will happen in Russia and its neighbours! :D

I myself am curious about what will happen. Russia won't be a beacon of liberal ruler ship or stability, but a civil war will most likely not happen. I do have some ideas in my head for the future, but nothing is concrete and I still have to research somethings.

Maximilliano said:
haha holy sh*t, thats not so bad... kinda like the opposite of Brest-Litvosk... can't wait to see what'll happen next
-Maximilliano

Undoubtedly we'll see uprisings, civil wars, chaos and anarchy... But not in Russia for the time being.
 

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Now, develop a way to screw over the British :D

Given the new shape of the world, Russia and Britain are the main rivals. It would be interesting to see what sides France and USA will take!
 

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The war was won when I catched up! :mad:

Awsome :cool:

Thank you for having the patience to read through it all!

Gnost said:
Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations! Looking forward to seeing what the shape of the world is.

I assume the world will remain round, it would be kind of weird if the world would turn flat all of a sudden ;) The '20s will decide the future of Europe and possibly the world, whether it being a good or a bad thing remains to be seen.

NikkTheTrick said:
Now, develop a way to screw over the British :D

Given the new shape of the world, Russia and Britain are the main rivals. It would be interesting to see what sides France and USA will take!

Russia, Britain AND France will be main rivals of each other. And depending on where Russia tends to increase her influence it will create more rivals.
 

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Therefore Nicholas II rejected the proposition citing: ‘Poland is an integral part of the Russian Empire, and will remain so for a long time’

But our Tsar is a defeatist! Shouldn't that be "forever and beyond?" ;)

Interesting to see where it will all go from there, but IMHO Germany really should've been carved up more. Maybe you can give Rhineland (and Belgium, as they already "own" it) to the French? I'm sure they would've insisted on it after the huge Russian gains, and the Polish separatists, with their Paris base, could be used as a bargaining card. The British would want to balance Russia too.
 

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Wannabe Tatar said:
Russia, Britain AND France will be main rivals of each other. And depending on where Russia tends to increase her influence it will create more rivals.
I doubt France can effectively fight Britain or Russia. They might join one side against another, but they will not stand on their own. French army will be slaughtered if they land in Russia while Britain can destroy French navy and take their time with now-isolated French colonies.
 

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das said:
But our Tsar is a defeatist! Shouldn't that be "forever and beyond?" ;)

Interesting to see where it will all go from there, but IMHO Germany really should've been carved up more. Maybe you can give Rhineland (and Belgium, as they already "own" it) to the French? I'm sure they would've insisted on it after the huge Russian gains, and the Polish separatists, with their Paris base, could be used as a bargaining card. The British would want to balance Russia too.

Everything south of the Rhine has already been seceded to France, but not yet shown. Most of French, Russian and British demands will be handled by events, such as military restrictions and economical restrictions. Also, Germany will have some nasty stuff to do deal with first, before it can lick it's wounds.

NikkTheTrick said:
I doubt France can effectively fight Britain or Russia. They might join one side against another, but they will not stand on their own. French army will be slaughtered if they land in Russia while Britain can destroy French navy and take their time with now-isolated French colonies.

At this point, Russia, Britain and France are too tired to fight another great war. The biggest problem is that France is too powerful to classify as 'which side will they join'. They have one of the largest armies in the world (surpassed by only me, for now) and they've also got a decent navy. The Royal Navy is more powerful, but it won't be a cake walk for the British to destroy their French counter parts, nor will it be for the Russians to destroy any amphibious assaults on their coasts.
 

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I assume the world will remain round, it would be kind of weird if the world would turn flat all of a sudden ;) The '20s will decide the future of Europe and possibly the world, whether it being a good or a bad thing remains to be seen.
HA! I started thinking the same thing after I posted the comment. I set myself up for that one.

I'm doubting Germany will demonstrate the same rise as real life fascist Germany. I think they are pretty much done.

And good job on keeping Poland. I was going to be irritated if you just let them go.

You said you'll be continuing this on through HOI2, right ???
 

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The war is certainly over! However, I do not like the division of the OE. Controlling Constantinople and Trabzon would be okay but wouldn't creating an independent Turkey made up of several territories be a better idea over all? Just for historical and realistic purposes, of course. ;)

Also, what did Japan gain? And both Britain and France? And Italy, for that matter, aside from Anatolia?
 

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I think a by denying the poles independence, they may have made enemies of all the minorities in their empire.

I can honestly say the russians will desire to take the rhineland (and maybe alsace-Lorraine) from france in some way or form in the future.
 

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Wenis said:
I can honestly say the russians will desire to take the rhineland (and maybe alsace-Lorraine) from france in some way or form in the future.
Russians? Rhineland? There is whole Germany in-between and Russia does not have any special interest in the area... If Russia gets Rhineland, it would be an enclave locked by France, Germany(ies) and Belgium form all sides...
 

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kingmbutu said:
yay... good victory. How dare the Poles ask for independence though.

Ungrateful bunch of people, they should take a closer look at the Finns. They were loyal and only rose up once during the war, they might actually be rewarded for their loyalty.

Gnost said:
HA! I started thinking the same thing after I posted the comment. I set myself up for that one.

I'm doubting Germany will demonstrate the same rise as real life fascist Germany. I think they are pretty much done.

And good job on keeping Poland. I was going to be irritated if you just let them go.

You said you'll be continuing this on through HOI2, right ???

Not allowing an independent Poland can come to haunt me, though. As for Germany, they lost about 30% of their industrial capacity and a lot of valuable resources. With a decent leader they can become a stronger nation again, but they won't become as strong as the Nazi's ever were, and I'm sure Russia will intervene if Germany grows to strong.

Continuing into HOI2 is definitely a possibilty which I'm considering. Russia is now in an interesting position.

Ksim3000 said:
The war is certainly over! However, I do not like the division of the OE. Controlling Constantinople and Trabzon would be okay but wouldn't creating an independent Turkey made up of several territories be a better idea over all? Just for historical and realistic purposes, of course. ;)

Also, what did Japan gain? And both Britain and France? And Italy, for that matter, aside from Anatolia?

The OE is indeed pretty awkward, although they're lucky Greece didn't join yet, then they would lose parts of Smyrna as well. This division comes from the Revolutions itself and I've not altered it. Although I don't see any reason from preventing Atatürk to seize power, although the Turkish War of Independence might become more interesting with Russia, France and Italy controlling large parts of Anatolia.

Japan gained most of Germany's pacific islands. Britain and France took all the remaining German colonies (Togo, Cameroon, Tanzania, some pacific islands) and the Middle-East from the Ottoman Empire. South-Africa gained Namibia and Italy gained some Turkish Islands, if they still held any as well as some provinces from Austria (South-Tyrol, Istria)

hasskugel said:
Looks good! I am interested to see the consequences for Eastern Europe!

Probably Russia in TTL would go about asserting its dominance in places like Persia and Afghanistan after such a successful WWI.

Unfortunately, Afghanistan is a satellite of Britain in the 1914 scenario (and thus in my mod as well). I could of course write an event which sets Afghanistan free in 1919 (as historical). Persia had already been devided by Britain and Russia in 1907, IIRC. The Great Game is virtually over, there are other places where we can successfully assert our dominance.

Wenis said:
I think a by denying the poles independence, they may have made enemies of all the minorities in their empire.

I can honestly say the russians will desire to take the rhineland (and maybe alsace-Lorraine) from france in some way or form in the future.

The Poles have rebelled a dozen of times under Russian rule, without it affecting other minorities too much, with the possible exception of the Baltic people. Denying their independence won't disturb Tatars, Ukrainians, Byelorussians, Finns or Armenians too much.

I have absolutely no desire in taking the Rhineland. It would be a logistical nightmare as I don't have direct access to the Rhineland. Although the only thing I can see happening is that Russia will put pressure upon the French to release a Rhenish state, which will remain under French influence. For now Russia has no business in Western-Europe.

NikkTheTrick said:
Russians? Rhineland? There is whole Germany in-between and Russia does not have any special interest in the area... If Russia gets Rhineland, it would be an enclave locked by France, Germany(ies) and Belgium form all sides...

It won't be if I annex Germany before taking the Rhineland :D