Timelapse of Europe - by Quill18

[Rabid]

A titanic improvement from EU3, but still flawed: Poland and Lithuania as usual being totally incapable of expanding and getting owned by rebels (sadly almost historically appropriate but they should be strong at least in the early years; personally I would have made the P-L union fixed rather than relying on a DHE, just to help history along a little), Muscovy as usual sitting next to OPM Novgorod for 200 years (seriously why does this happen so regularly in EU3?) as well as ignoring the possibility of getting an easy Black Sea port and OE not bothering to crush the pathetic illegitimate Romans being the most annoying; plus the whole messy situation in France which would have been fine if it hadn't lasted for the whole game. However, the snaking was minimal (just a little from OE and Kazan at times) and the OE's overall performance was like a dream come true, they actually seemed to conquer huge amounts of Asia which never happened in unmodded EU3. I'm happy to accept some HRE blobbing, Italy may not have been that historically plausible but it looked fun and dynamic and that should be at least equal in important to real historicity. Same with Germany proper getting fairly blobbed up, IRL HRE states expanded via inheritance, however I'm totally willing to pretend that all the HRE wars are dynastic conflicts for the sake of giving the AI the chance to create a Prussia analogue, for example.

I'll just say it's definitely not something I want to happen in the release version.

We all love you Wiz, I'm sure you'll work your magic somehow

- When Ottomans defeated, the first country that gain independence is Bulgaria. This is too common since Eu3. Because "B" is one of the first letters in alphabet. So enemy AI choose first Bulgaria to release, then usually an Turkish minor in, because they don't need much War Score to be released. However, the first countries to be released should be distant to the capital. Bulgaria and Western Anatolia was very core territories of Ottomans 500 years ago. There can be a simple system about this; let's say you want to divide your enemy's empire by forcing him to release country. If you choose preferably non-core or distant country from enemy's capital, War Score cost of this could be lower, but if you choose most important core territories of enemy War Score could be higher.

This is a really good idea, however it might be worth noting that such a system should probably take culture and religion into account too, in which case Bulgaria isn't that bad a choice even though IRL Bulgaria was more important to the OE than such a simplistic analysis would suggest. Obviously ideally you'd see the most distant parts of the Balkans separate first such as Bosnia and anything north of the Danube but I think that might be hoping for too much.

 

[Myrten]

Well it makes the game more interesting since it removes the predictability in previous games where once countries became little blobby, they pretty much stayed that way unless the player himself took care of them.
I like suprises

Also, I was kinda hoping it also meant the same for the human player in terms of making empire management and over extension harder than before.

In the end you will have no one to oppose you later on and game is boring, I'd like AI to blob within historical borders, so I'm all for strong France, Spain, Austria and huge OE and Russia.

 

[Chamboozer]

I couldn't agree more. If I make a mod for EUIV, it would have the italian microcosm - Italic league, Italian balance, the Italian wars and a plausible forming of Italy - as a major theme. I hope there will be something like Helius' SRI, too. Keeping central Europe fractured and peaceful was in the interest of most powers in that timeframe.

Right. One hint that EUIV may have represented it badly is the complete collapse of the political balance immediately upon unpausing. The Pope seems to have lost Rome in 1448.

Really one of the main attractions of playing in Italy should be the ability to experience the famous Renaissance politics, not merely chaotic anarchy as happens in EU games. In what ways do you think you'd be able to improve the situation with a mod? Sadly there are only so many mechanics to work with...

 

[Myrten]

I'll just say it's definitely not something I want to happen in the release version.

I hope it's also the case for Ottomans and Constantinople, they shouldn't go into Balkans before consolidating their lands in Greece and Anatolia.

 

[Wizzington]

I hope it's also the case for Ottomans and Constantinople, they shouldn't go into Balkans before consolidating their lands in Greece and Anatolia.

As Johan said, it's a month old version.

 

[Galren]

Anybody else notice that, by the end of the time lapse, the Papal States have actually expanded?

 

[quill18]

There are somethings I like about this (powerful ottomans, Muscovy etc.) and things I don't, like the AI seemingly incapable of finishing off OPM's or two states nations. Russia would of formed if Muscovy took Novgorod.

Muscovy should have everything it needs to form Russia without Novgorod. IIRC, it's Novgorod OR Smolensk.

 

[Tuskin38]

its in 3 of those already. EU4 will have it, HOI3 TFH has it, and CK2 has it

its a console command

HOI3 doesn't have it, or at least I can't find it.

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

Muscovy should have everything it needs to form Russia without Novgorod. IIRC, it's Novgorod OR Smolensk.

Then why didn't it form Russia?

 

[McGregg]

A titanic improvement from EU3, but still flawed: Poland and Lithuania as usual being totally incapable of expanding and getting owned by rebels (sadly almost historically appropriate but they should be strong at least in the early years; personally I would have made the P-L union fixed rather than relying on a DHE, just to help history along a little)...

Looks like PU was not renewed... Does anyone know Poland's starting position (in OTL there was a three-year interregnum)? That would explain few things...

 

[Rabid]

Looks like PU was not renewed... Does anyone know Poland's starting position (in OTL there was a three-year interregnum)? That would explain few things...

I think the P-L union is a random DHE which happens if Poland has no monarch and no heir and Lithuania has a monarch, I assume a Polish heir popped up before the event could fire or the AI decided not to accept the union because it likes to make bad decisions.

 

[CanOmer]

Do the AI select the first countries to be released by alphabetically? Since Eu3, first country which gains independence from OE was usually Bulgaria.

 

[McGregg]

I think the P-L union is a random DHE which happens if Poland has no monarch and no heir and Lithuania has a monarch, I assume a Polish heir popped up before the event could fire or the AI decided not to accept the union because it likes to make bad decisions.

The problem is that game starts day after Battle of Varna. King of Poland and Hunary dies without the heir... That's why I asked about Poland's starting position...
But still I think you're right about DHE... it's either renewing POL/LIT relationship or Poland gets new (Polish) King.

 

[Cymsdale]

Do the AI select the first countries to be released by alphabetically? Since Eu3, first country which gains independence from OE was usually Bulgaria.

I doubt they changed this.

 

[unmerged(608922)]

Can i see the New World if possible? Game is not only about Europe.

 

[Beylerbeyi]

OE takes Constantinople a century too late, and doesn't expand in the Black Sea, which they should. Black Sea expansion is better if Crimea is OE's vassal, but it doesn't look like that.

Other than that their European expansion looks good. I am impressed.

They also don't seem to expand to the Med islands and North Africa, but that is less important than Black Sea expansion. Again North Africa depends on whether they have vassals there or not.

Probably they run too deep into Arabia, given the size and placement of that font. Are Turks still in the Arabic culture group?

 

[CanOmer]

How did that big Netherlands gain independency? I didn't see rebels and war.

 

[TheFreak_97]

I was surprised when I saw France get kicked in the ass.

 

[CanOmer]

I was surprised when I saw France get kicked in the ass.

I expected that. Burgundy in 1399 was strong, now it is stronger. I think it may be the best country for multiplayer.

 

[fingalum]

I have a quick question regarding some acronym used by player, what does BBB and OPM means?