As of the 1.07 beta patches, the Orthodox modifier was reduced to 1.1, leaving us with (if I remember correctly):
Latin: 1.0
Orthodox: 1.1
Muslim: 1.4
Chinese: 1.7
Exotic: 1.9
I would argue, that it is time to decrease the muslim and chinese modifiers, due to fundamental changes done to the EU2 economic model in recent beta patches.
Now, as the techgroup is one of the few things not moddable in EU2, I have obviously not been able to test the full impact of reduced techgroup modifiers. Thus this BETA proposal. If the proposed changes do not work out in the BETA, they can easily be removed again.
Suggested values: (pulled out of the sky)
Muslim: 1.25
Chinese: 1.5
The changes to the economic model I refer to are the following:
(The only new thing here, is that it is even more significant than it used to be, what with the reduction in trade income)
So, while I very much appreciate the changes to the enconomic model and believe that the European nations should, in general, become more advanced than the rest of the world, mainly due to competition (as shown in both the neighbour modifier and the price of tech, both affected by the techgroup), my observations recently have been that these nations not only do bad, compared to Europeans (no surprise there!), but that they do worse than they used to in 1.05 and earlier (which was pretty bad already!).
It is perhaps a flaw in my character that I care not a whit for the exotic techgroup modifier, but I would like, just for once, to see some nations in the muslim and chinese techgroup, preferably some of the majors, even approach the techlevels that have been assigned to them in later scenarios* - especially the economic techs - when under AI control.
(Yes, these techlevels are somewhat arbitrary as goals, and sometimes the AI actually manage to get pretty close in land tech, but for how many centuries should nations such as Persia or the Mughal Empire stay at trade 2, really?)
*Well, CoT owning countries with only one or two provinces actually succeed, but they are in a minority.
If you reply, please remember that this is a BETA proposal, which can be cut if it does not work out.
Latin: 1.0
Orthodox: 1.1
Muslim: 1.4
Chinese: 1.7
Exotic: 1.9
I would argue, that it is time to decrease the muslim and chinese modifiers, due to fundamental changes done to the EU2 economic model in recent beta patches.
Now, as the techgroup is one of the few things not moddable in EU2, I have obviously not been able to test the full impact of reduced techgroup modifiers. Thus this BETA proposal. If the proposed changes do not work out in the BETA, they can easily be removed again.
Suggested values: (pulled out of the sky)
Muslim: 1.25
Chinese: 1.5
The changes to the economic model I refer to are the following:
- Trade values at low trade tech levels were substantially decreased. This affects all nations (lower income from trade and trade taxes), but has a much more devastating impact on nations in the slower techgroups, since they will stay at low trade levels for longer time. This propagates upwards, delaying later tech even further
- An important addition to offset the increased maintenance was the introduction of economic resources as a support to the army limit. However, due to the basic EU2 setup, which makes non-European nations, in general, less wealthy than they were historically, for most nations in the chinese and muslim techgroups this is a very small contribution, even the majors. (China is an obvious counterexample, but like I said, for most it is the case)
- With RR affecting tax income, nations at war find themselves at a disadvantage after some time: trade and production income become the main means of income. Fair enough. However, while this is in principle equal for everybody, it hits those in the worse techgroups the hardest, as they typically have low infrastructure and trade percentage levels. While I find this effect desirable in general (it adds an extra strategic element to wars), it does impact the tech gaining. Fortunately, WE is capped for the AI, so it is not the largest issue - except when coupled with RR from other events or low stability, which happens quite frequently (this ties into the next point)
- All nations get random events. This is wonderful, but it also means that all nations get stability hits. Since there are rather more negative stability hits than positive, and even more for those with high serfdom, it means that nations will spend more time regaining stability, including AI nations. In practise, this means more overall time where tech is gained solely by the monarch skill, the neighbour bonus, and manufactories (since money is being invested in stability). Given the construction of the neighbour bonus, this is again, while applied to everybody, another thing that delays the worse techgroups more than the better one's.
(The only new thing here, is that it is even more significant than it used to be, what with the reduction in trade income)So, while I very much appreciate the changes to the enconomic model and believe that the European nations should, in general, become more advanced than the rest of the world, mainly due to competition (as shown in both the neighbour modifier and the price of tech, both affected by the techgroup), my observations recently have been that these nations not only do bad, compared to Europeans (no surprise there!), but that they do worse than they used to in 1.05 and earlier (which was pretty bad already!).
It is perhaps a flaw in my character that I care not a whit for the exotic techgroup modifier, but I would like, just for once, to see some nations in the muslim and chinese techgroup, preferably some of the majors, even approach the techlevels that have been assigned to them in later scenarios* - especially the economic techs - when under AI control.
(Yes, these techlevels are somewhat arbitrary as goals, and sometimes the AI actually manage to get pretty close in land tech, but for how many centuries should nations such as Persia or the Mughal Empire stay at trade 2, really?)
*Well, CoT owning countries with only one or two provinces actually succeed, but they are in a minority.
If you reply, please remember that this is a BETA proposal, which can be cut if it does not work out.
