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With 100 hours there are people that think that the game is too easy, after 4 or five games. Personally if you have difficulty playing the easy nation after 1000 hours of gameplay I don't know what to say. You are not talking about OPM or inferior tech, but about Castille, Burgundy, Ottomans and Swede. Is very difficult do bad games with these with so many hours of experience, maybe you never entered in the game philosophy, but only explored the superficial crust, clicking around, becouse you considered the game interesting, but not deserving a some kind of interest from you.

Every game becomes easy versus AI eventually play multiplayer etc etc

I took a long break from Pdox games and I´m playing Company of Heroes 2 lately. Where? Multiplayer because reasons.

If MOBAs have millions people playing them it´s because of the satisfaction of beating a person, not due to bot spanking. Eu4 makes bot spanking MUCH more interesting but it still is bot spanking.
 
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Still, if you do something like punching Wales out of England and don't follow up with another war, you can sure as hell expect those provinces to get reconquered by claim in just a few years.



With a weaker rival, I'd rather milk him for humiliations as long as possible. Force-releasing or taking provinces from him just means I'll eclipse him sooner.


Exactly.
 

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Well, you start with major powers but quit as soon as you loose a war... I happen to do that when I'm a 2/3 PM but otherwise, it's nowhere near the end; all you need not to do is to not to revoke your cores and you can get more than you lost in any subsequent war for very low AE.

Then, there are poor mistakes. As Burgundy for exemple, trying to PU Austria, while Bohemia is the Emperor, DOWing Austria allowed Bohemia to drag all its allies in the war. That's how any HRE war works.

When Bohemia's only ally was Salzburg, I figured I could take on the two of them. The rest of them joined in after a year of fighting or so (I guess Bohemia or Austria allied them), at which point I'd sieged up three of Austria's provinces. It's a frustrating feature when you go into a war and suddenly there's three times more troops than your own forcelimit occuping your nation. There used to be a bunch of problems with new warleaders calling in new particpants, cascading into wars you had no idea you would end up fighting. This is basically the same thing; I declare war expecting to fight Bohemia, Austria, and some HRE minor, but end up fighting Lithuania, Denmark, and Aragon as well.


I don't want to be rude or mean, but it's time to reassess. With a thousand hours into the game, to fail at these scenarios you paint means:

First of all, your tactical abilities are sub-par. Hard to tell how bad exactly... but bad. Bad like not knowing when to break off a battle that you're losing, bad like attaking into mountains I guess. It's almost always possible to fight the AI to a white peace by making use of every trick in the book. Sometimes it takes 10 years or more to turn back a greatly superior enemy, but eventually the war-length modifier will make the AI accept white peace.
Next: your strategic abilities are dismal. Seriously, like worse than Hitler and Hannibal combined. In every case you got pasted without having a single ally (in the only case you ever mentioned allies, you ended up fighting them too). It's almost like you don't know what allies are for! Also, a succesful strategy includes attainable long-term goals and patching up your weak points. Losing naval supremacy as Ottomans shows an astounding lack of strategic planning.
Finally, your endurance and heart is where you truly fail in my opinion. No you don't need to be an exceptional player to succeed in an EUIV campaign. You don't need to know every trick. But you do need to know that losing a war doesn't mean losing the game. Nobody enjoys losing provinces, but you can always bounce back. It even says so in the loading screens ;)

Ok I'm done now. And yes, you asked for this, coming to the forums and making this thread you made.

You don't want to be rude, but then you start throwing unicornsing shit around? K, brah. Such a forum hero.

There's no 'tactics' involved with shitty dice rolls. There's no tactics involved dealing with rebels. I don't think it's a good situation when Stockholm peasant rebels completely obliterates an enemy army lead by a two star general with discipline and infantry combat bonus. I've fought insanely long wars of attrition. Losing naval supremacy? Are you serious? How am I supposed to go over my naval forcelimit by ~50 just to have an even number of ships as the enemies' combined fleets, and still maintain a solid land army?

I asked for what, precisely? To hear what a crap player I am because I got pissed of at some of the mechanics I don't enjoy about the game? Well, go unicornsing unicorn yourself. Unicorn.


OP is ragequitting too easily.

Yeah, I know. It's a pattern I generally follow. I usually play a start 5-10 or sometimes even more times just to get a feel for the country I'm playing. If I end up making an early mistake that costs me a few years, I'd rather start over and do things right than spending time and resources merely to recover.
 
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Blobbing as Sweden is still extremely easy...

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That is from my latest ironman game. Luneburg, Kiev, and Perm are all vassals. Luneburg is in the process of annexation and may or may not be annexed by the end of game. I only wish I had about 150 more years of game time so I could go against France and Spain. My game was even set back a slight bit when I was dominating a war early on and somehow the game said I accepted a white peace with Prussia even though I had over 60% war score... I didn't even open up their peace offer suggestion. Still no clue what happened..

*edit*

Forgot to mention that Austria also just recently became a vassal of mine. Hence the high liberty desire icon at the top.
 
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When reading this, I feel akward. Orkonkel has valid complaints. Example. If you attack a nation, and see they have nation a b c as allies, you will be cursing when the nation being attacked suddenly allies france, commonwealth and burgundy, and they get called in when you don't expect it.

Then again, posters also have valid points.

All in all, this sounds like a game burn out. Maybe the OP played this game TOO much in a short timeframe, or maybe this game is too damn complex for players who want full control, or maybe the game isn't the problem at all, but something else...

Best advice I can give: do a game you put on the rack due to your eu4 addiction. Come back when incited. It can take less then 2 weeks to get another incentive to get better at this game.

My advice? Do something weird, start some crazy ROTW nation you never heard of, and ENJOY the game again.

Starting a rage quit thread, and then POSTING in it reacting to the people who inevitably flamed you, isn't exactly what is needed..
 
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I've got to say that my friend (who is a seasoned Europa Universalis III veteran) came back to play EU IV for the first time since half a year ago, and he failed 3 or 4 times to make any progress early game using different nations.

Myself I haven't had much of a problem except from France just being way too overpowered now (see screenshot, this is a Vanilla game). But it is evident there is something amiss here since El Dorado or Art of War.
 
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Actually if some people fail to progress I see that something is actually working well.

EU4 AI is waaaaaay better than EU3´s. So experience there is a bit overrated eh?
 
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When reading this, I feel akward. Orkonkel has valid complaints. Example. If you attack a nation, and see they have nation a b c as allies, you will be cursing when the nation being attacked suddenly allies france, commonwealth and burgundy, and they get called in when you don't expect it.

Then again, posters also have valid points.

All in all, this sounds like a game burn out. Maybe the OP played this game TOO much in a short timeframe, or maybe this game is too damn complex for players who want full control, or maybe the game isn't the problem at all, but something else...

Best advice I can give: do a game you put on the rack due to your eu4 addiction. Come back when incited. It can take less then 2 weeks to get another incentive to get better at this game.

My advice? Do something weird, start some crazy ROTW nation you never heard of, and ENJOY the game again.

Starting a rage quit thread, and then POSTING in it reacting to the people who inevitably flamed you, isn't exactly what is needed..


I haven't seen a single post where the OP got flamed.
 

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It's easy to steamroll with any nation once you get momentum. I was complaining about things that seem really disproportionate (i.e peasant rebals spawning in numbers at my force limit and what the hell, it's peasants, not ninjabikers from Mars), things that seem really disproportinate (I think coalitions are a fine mechanics, but not when they send armies of hundreds of thousands against forty thousand etc) and things that blindsides you and reams it far up once you're on your knees (i.e enemies allying great powers during ongoing war and calls them into the war). The majority of people responding in this thread have loudly offered their disagreement; some have offered advice; a select few have even sympathized with parts of my complaints.

I enjoy fighting wars on epic scales where the rewards are exceeded only by the risks. If I am preemptively attacked by Austria and Venice, I want to be able to gain -something- from that war without facing retribution from half a dozen other nations. I do not enjoy watching my armies crumble at the hands of rebels, because rebels are an artificial hurdle to overcome, an obstacle without substance, a drain on manpower and gold instead of a real entity with an agenda of its own. I do not enjoy random events destroying my only ally against France, nor do I enjoy watching my army shattered and wiped against an opponent that has less moral and troops than me.

People assume I complain because the game is not as easy as it used to be, when I in fact am complaining because I tried a whole bunch of starts that just spiralled out of control in ways that I never experienced in previous patches. Want to make this game harder? Try things where player choices are more important than RNG. What if diplomatic actions didn't show numbers, but instead scaled from 'No' -> 'Unlikely' -> 'Possibly' -> 'Likely' -> 'Yes'. What if diplomats had stats just like rulers and generals, and could offer promises of gold, manpower, or claims in return for royal marriages, alliances, or peacing out earlier from wars? What if battles were simulated without being open to expoits, baiting, and general gaminess of the players? Make armies work like explorers/conquistadors, sending them on missions to conquer areas, to reinforce nearby troops, to retreat, or to attack enemies. What if armies were built with a specific composition of troops in a region and arrived as a single unit of 'small', 'medium', 'large', or 'massive', each with its own benefits in terms of speed, attrition, etcetera. Talk about grand strategy of gaming, instead of grand gaming of strategy.

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Just finished a ten year long coalition war that included France, Spain, Austria, Venice, Genoa, Hungary, a handful of minors, etcetera. Why? I took two provinces from Portugal and vassalized what was left of Aragon. It was a brazen move, certainly, but it just doesn't seem historical or balanced gameplay-wise to unite half of Europe against a single nation for any reason. I don't know. I'm going to let the issue drop for now and just go back to my corner.
 
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Just finished a ten year long coalition war that included France, Spain, Austria, Venice, Genoa, Hungary, a handful of minors, etcetera. Why? I took two provinces from Portugal and vassalized what was left of Aragon.

So you just took 2 medium-high basetax provinces without claim from a catholic nation surrounded by other catholic nations as a muslim. On top of that you vassalized another one. And you find it implausible that christianity would form a big coalition (crusades anyone?) to stop you? Thats like 60+ AE right there.

Again it is all a numbers game. And your example is completely plausible. The game doesnt spiral out of control by itself. You make it spiral out of control. Not to mention that half of the things in your opneing post arent even close to "out of control".
 
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...but it just doesn't seem historical or balanced gameplay-wise to unite half of Europe against a single nation for any reason. I don't know. I'm going to let the issue drop for now and just go back to my corner.

Ever heard of the Crusades? Or Napoleon?

Let alone gameplay...
 
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So you just took 2 medium-high basetax provinces without claim from a catholic nation surrounded by other catholic nations as a muslim. On top of that you vassalized another one. And you find it implausible that christianity would form a big coalition (crusades anyone?) to stop you? Thats like 60+ AE right there.

Again it is all a numbers game. And your example is completely plausible. The game doesnt spiral out of control by itself. You make it spiral out of control. Not to mention that half of the things in your opneing post arent even close to "out of control".

Yeah that are examples of bad coalitions but his is not BS one at all... As a matter of fact it´s WAD.
 
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Yeah, I don't really enjoy single player much myself anymore either. The AI is far too predictable (COALITON ALL THE PLAYERS) and lucky nations make ironman pretty boring (France shrekking the world, every time).

Sounds to me like you are applying tactics that worked several patches ago and haven't really refined or updated your strategies. Someone with 1000 should not have problems playing majors. I am playing increasingly obscure or doomed starts just to get a challenge. The game certainly shouldn't be dumbed down, that's what killed the total war series.

Pretty sure Total War series and Creative Assembly are doing fine. Alien Isolation, Atilla, and now that sweet sweet Games Workshop money.

 
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I took two provinces from Portugal and vassalized what was left of Aragon. It was a brazen move, certainly, but it just doesn't seem historical or balanced gameplay-wise to unite half of Europe against a single nation for any reason. I don't know. I'm going to let the issue drop for now and just go back to my corner.
AE does not favour the bold.
But yea, others have mentioned why this coalition is perfectly justifiable, and should have been expected. Did you take all of that Polish land during the coalition war? Or was that more AE that you were going to neglect to mention? Is Naples your vassal as well?

I think you are just over estimating how strong you are, and expecting to generate less AE. Though all of these numbers are shown to you.

You are taking old strategies and tactics, and expecting them to continue working. Like in real life where tactics had to evolve over time, so to do your tactics (but time in this case, is measured in patches, not years).

Also, instead of just dismissing people's suggestions, maybe respond to them?
 

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OK, from the picture we can learn a lot about how you have been playing and what might be going wrong. You're off to a solid start as the Ottomans. Less than 100 years in, and you're #1 or #2 in the world (not sure which of you and France is stronger on paper, but the others are nowhere close unless Castile has colonised like crazy). You are master of the Eastern Mediterranean, pushing nicely into central Europe and Italy. But it looks like you have overreached diplomatically by biting into Iberia. In a more conservative Ottomans game, France would be your natural ally at this point, and a France+Ottomans alliance would be pretty much impossible for any coalition to beat in a war. Instead, you have provoked the French by taking Catalonia, which is more in their sphere of interest. It's not a bad play necessarily (you pretty much have to do this if going for a WC, say), but it is aggressive and you have to expect consequences. All the coalition members against you have good reasons for joining the coalition - it's not 'just' because you took provinces in Portugal and vassalised Aragon, it's that plus all your other recent conquests. I suggest you leave the European front alone for a while and focus on Africa/Asia until things have calmed down a bit.
 
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Dude, you can see how much AE will be generated by your peace deals. Coalitions are very bad mojo, but also easy to avoid. And you gotta husband that manpower better during your wars (peasant war). Being low manpower is the frikkin bat signal to anyone that wants your land, and with the peasant war being critical low manpower helps trigger the disaster (or it used to...I guess I should double check that).
 

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Yeah, I don't really enjoy single player much myself anymore either. The AI is far too predictable (COALITON ALL THE PLAYERS) and lucky nations make ironman pretty boring (France shrekking the world, every time).



Pretty sure Total War series and Creative Assembly are doing fine. Alien Isolation, Atilla, and now that sweet sweet Games Workshop money.


Holy cow Warhammer Total War !
 

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Funny I am taking a break from this game but for the opposite reasons, the AI cannot manage building buildings, the economy, and sucks so bad at fighting wars. A useless ally most of the time and too easy to trick into battles if fighting them.
 

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Funny I am taking a break from this game but for the opposite reasons, the AI cannot manage building buildings, the economy, and sucks so bad at fighting wars. A useless ally most of the time and too easy to trick into battles if fighting them.

That's the point, though. AI is not smart. AI is not good. And to compensate, Paradox introduced huge coalitions and huge rebel stacks with good morale. I think these are literally the two least interesting ways to make the game harder, challenging, and more engaging to the player. To each their own.

Anyway. Ottomans -did- take all of Hungary in a single war. Which borders HRE and Poland/Commonwealth. Trying to take 100% warscore in that part of the world would be far worse than heading to the Iberian (returning cores to Catalanya gives 0 AE because of balance, I guess). It's obvious that my expecations of what a reasonable coalition is does not match the majority of the peoples' opinions.