Throne of Heaven

[BlkbrryTheGreat]

Red, you're missing three very important points.

1. The spells allow you to raise your fort levels much higher then what would be possible given current LT levels.

2. As long as your magic up these forts where you have a core you'll be able to protect your investment with a spell shield.

3. Any attempts to lower fortifications though the spell shield will cost 20 PP- meaning that it will always cost more to lower the fort level (regardless of the fort level) then it will to raise it.

 

[Wyvern]

One of the reasons is to make none core (or unprotected) areas more vulnerable to a coordinated spell attack followed by invasion.

 

[unmerged(11031)]

Part two of many of Death and Rebirth is up

I really need to have someone give Qutb a name.

 

[RedPhoenix]

Red, you're missing three very important points.

1. The spells allow you to raise your fort levels much higher then what would be possible given current LT levels.

2. As long as your magic up these forts where you have a core you'll be able to protect your investment with a spell shield.

3. Any attempts to lower fortifications though the spell shield will cost 20 PP- meaning that it will always cost more to lower the fort level (regardless of the fort level) then it will to raise it.

Yes I realise this, it just seems very silly that its a lot cheaper to summon gold and build the fort, the difference should be smaller than 3x cheaper.

 

[Swuul]

Ok, what is wrong with people? Everybody else happy with how they got treated by spells??? I would have expected to a few other brothers (in addition to me) to cry FOUL. But no. Everybody but Alvaro seems to be happy how they where treated.

Well.

I was not happy how I and Amzad was treated. I intend to find out who the guilty ones are, and when it is proofed Sui and Bistami are behind this, I will kick their butts. Or at least I will use harsh words on them.

 

[ForzaA]

Ok, what is wrong with people? Everybody else happy with how they got treated by spells??? I would have expected to a few other brothers (in addition to me) to cry FOUL. But no. Everybody but Alvaro seems to be happy how they where treated.

Well.

I was not happy how I and Amzad was treated. I intend to find out who the guilty ones are, and when it is proofed Sui and Bistami are behind this, I will kick their butts. Or at least I will use harsh words on them.

I can't follow you- first you ask me for support in yelling that you were treated unfairly, and in the same post you accuse ME of doing it?

[for the record, no I didn't do it]


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EDIT: bah, your accusation made me forget my purpose here.
MY grandparents will come over tomorrow (grandfather only recently got out of hospital, too) so I doubt I can be present in time. I will TRY to find a sub, but if I can't I would request that my extra treasury be removed untill I AM present.

 

[Swuul]

I would request that my extra treasury be removed untill I AM present.

I would request to have my treasury removed until I have had a few beers. I tend to use my money to idiotic stupidities when I am totally sober.

 

[ForzaA]

I would request to have my treasury removed until I have had a few beers. I tend to use my money to idiotic stupidities when I am totally sober.

Ignore his babbling

Mnorrefeldt (ICQ #174373941) will be subbing me untill I can play, and he has received some instructions
This also means, that no treasury editing will be necessary, as I'm sure Mnorrefeldt is a more careful spender than the AI.

In other news, my AAR is now up

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

EDIT: bah, your accusation made me forget my purpose here.
MY grandparents will come over tomorrow (grandfather only recently got out of hospital, too) so I doubt I can be present in time. I will TRY to find a sub, but if I can't I would request that my extra treasury be removed untill I AM present.

Obviously, Wyvern will have the final word on this, but I suspect that his verdict will be that of either letting things be or removing the extra treasury for the entire session, rather than setting up a precedent for in-session editing.

 

[devil]

Ok, what is wrong with people? Everybody else happy with how they got treated by spells??? I would have expected to a few other brothers (in addition to me) to cry FOUL. But no. Everybody but Alvaro seems to be happy how they where treated.

Well.

I was not happy how I and Amzad was treated. I intend to find out who the guilty ones are, and when it is proofed Sui and Bistami are behind this, I will kick their butts. Or at least I will use harsh words on them.

Well I don't care who hit Brunei, I actually couldn't care less. Whoever did it just again proved themselves excellent wasters of PP. It wouldn't surprise me if "those" are moved to latin tech now, because they are so excellent at wasting precious PP. Thank god Brunei doesn't need artificial boots to keep up, nor does any of the spells really affect us, they just keep proving the point.

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Devil,

1. There are no artificial boosts. There is, however, punishment when striving brothers stop behaving like striving brothers - and there is, occasionally, rewards for brothers who really, truly, strive, come hell or high water.
2. I am not certain which point you think is being proved.
3. As for being wasters of PP, if whichever cabal it is that has done this to you can improve the ongoing storyline or further its own ends with regards to the ultimate goal, the Throne of Heaven, then it is not a waste of PP. PP used on offensive spells could only in general be considered wasted as compared to gold, if the game was about becoming rich - but it is not.

To put it bluntly, it is a game about gathering enough military might and diplomatic strength to be able to take a single important province from China and be able to hold it, while using PP in any way that furthers this single goal. Not caring about losing manpower or whodunnit would seem to shows either an amazing self-confidence in long-term success or a lack of appreciation of the manpower needed to achieve the goal.

In any conventional game, I would say that your Brunei was doing very well, but I must say that as regards to this particular game and its substantially different goals, I have problems seing Brunei "keeping up" as you claim it is. Of course, that just might be part of a devious plan on your part. It wouldn't be the first time you have fooled me.

 

[devil]

In any conventional game, I would say that your Brunei was doing very well, but I must say that as regards to this particular game and its substantially different goals, I have problems seing Brunei "keeping up" as you claim it is. Of course, that just might be part of a devious plan on your part.

I consider spending xx pp on dropping MP by -3 a waste compared to gold you can get. -3 MP can be compared to a random event it really doesn't affect me that much. I consider mataram, the horselords and Brunei the really succesful in this game, considering all 3 currently have the power to take the throne, if just two of them work together.

 

[Wyvern]

I consider spending xx pp on dropping MP by -3 a waste compared to gold you can get. -3 MP can be compared to a random event it really doesn't affect me that much. I consider mataram, the horselords and Brunei the really succesful in this game, considering all 3 currently have the power to take the throne, if just two of them work together.

Interesting devil. So you think Drake and Muhammed (being two out of your three) are strong enough to take the throne now? Can I be expecting you to declare yourselves enemies of Alesso then and claim your free CB?

 

[Wyvern]

Obviously, Wyvern will have the final word on this, but I suspect that his verdict will be that of either letting things be or removing the extra treasury for the entire session, rather than setting up a precedent for in-session editing.

Edit's between sessions are a definate no no. I will if the situation warrants allow treasury to be editted away at the start of the session and returned at the end of the evening if a position is known to be AI run.

 

[devil]

Interesting devil. So you think Drake and Muhammed (being two out of your three) are strong enough to take the throne now? Can I be expecting you to declare yourselves enemies of Alesso then and claim your free CB?

That doesn't mean I would take the throne now Don't be fooled by the fat merchant title I have.

 

[BlkbrryTheGreat]

I consider spending xx pp on dropping MP by -3 a waste compared to gold you can get. -3 MP can be compared to a random event it really doesn't affect me that much. I consider mataram, the horselords and Brunei the really succesful in this game, considering all 3 currently have the power to take the throne, if just two of them work together.

Brueni received a yearly manpower increase of 21. -3 manpower means you lost 1/7th (or about 14.3%) of your yearly manpower income. In terms of percentages, thats about 3 "clicks" into land or quantity. That seems rather signifgant to me.

 

[devil]

Brueni received a yearly manpower increase of 21. -3 manpower means you lost 1/7th (or about 14.3%) of your yearly manpower income. In terms of percentages, thats about 3 "clicks" into land or quantity. That seems rather signifgant to me.

rofl BTG, ahhh well if you only knew...

-3 MP in Makassar is effective 1,5 MP lost from pool. Brunei get has 43 MP, and gets 21 each year, so now am down to 41,5, gaining 20. I am a true naval power very unlike bengal, that is a lapdog nation. MP doesn't affect my ship building capabilities. As said before waste of good PPs...

Anyway you will pay the price for casting spells on me, along with your PP wasting buddies.

You guys must be kicking yourselves for wasting so many PP on nothing. Anyway the more gold/PP you waste, the better for me

 

[admiral drake]

i can't make todays sesion btw i been looking for a sub but so far sunday seems to be cursed at this point its probaly gonna be devil secund comp that wil be subbing me unles i can find a sub stil

 

[BlkbrryTheGreat]

Anyway you will pay the price for casting spells on me, along with your PP wasting buddies.

You think I'm responsible for what happened to you? Feel free to get in line- you're not the first one.

 

[BlkbrryTheGreat]

Chapter two of the Tale of "Sui" is up. Incidently, due to the AAR I'm going to need a change to my monarch's name in game.... (whenever its convient, if there's no time to do it before the session begins, it's not a big deal).