Three reasons why Granada deserves more love than Byzantium!

[Trin Tragula]

Madurai started out as OPM in 1444? Interesting... usually, when I discovered India, I almost always found Madurai being still around and was more than just an OPM. Must be quite some luck they had.

The tag is also used for the Madurai nayaka which historically broke off from VIJ along with a whole bunch of other governorships in the wake of the sack of the city of victory at the hands of the Deccan sultanates.
The Tamil lands where very economically dominant within the empire and the risk of them breaking off was a reoccuring thing untill they did. In 1444 they're pretty freshly conquered still.
Madurai revolting is also more or less what tends to happen in the game (it is very rare to ever see both Bahmanis and Vijayanagar splinter but thats just down to how the game works).
As far as eu4 is concerned the nayak state of madurai is probably the more important entity compared to the Pandya remnant. Any NI set would have to reflect both (not that big a stretch tbh though, given how similar their circumstances wouldve been if the Pandyas had stayed in power).

Its before the games timeframe but there was also a Madurai sultanate for a while, the city is one of those places that lend themselves to building a kingdom around

Buuut i fear we are drifting off topic now. I mostly wanted to mention that they're there, it's been interesting reading the discussion that followed though

 

[Autoclave]

For me, the fall of Granada was something like twin event that mirrowed the fall of Byzantium.
Whatever Muslims gained in Anatolia and Balkans, they lost it in Iberia. Quid pro quo.

 

[Grand Historian]

Buuut i fear we are drifting off topic now. I mostly wanted to mention that they're there, it's been interesting reading the discussion that followed though

To just re-derail for one quick second, would it be possible to buff the Anti-Muslim edict? +0.5% Missionary Strength for only -2 Tolerance of Heathens isn't exactly a good tradeoff (and, curiously, the AI won't choose it if it gets a second missionary, which is a bit of a blow to Indian nations that take Religious).

 

[Metz]

Can we get a petition about splitting the Grenada province into Grenada and Malaga? Grenada is severely under-powered. They were also very wealthy due to the sub-Saharn gold trade and the city of Grenada was one of the largest cities at the time.

 

[Grand Historian]

Can we get a petition about splitting the Grenada province into Grenada and Malaga? Grenada is severely under-powered. They were also very wealthy due to the sub-Saharn gold trade and the city of Grenada was one of the largest cities at the time.

And that wealth clearly helped them resist Ferdinand.

But yes, I would like to see Granada split as well. Along with Alentejo.

 

[PiriReis]

It would have helped if it was western tech as it used to be and some missions like the ones Byzantium has giving you a ton of prestige and military tradition. Furthermore, There could be a Granadan claim on Ceuta as it briefly controlled the province before several times.

Can we get a petition about splitting the Grenada province into Grenada and Malaga? Grenada is severely under-powered. They were also very wealthy due to the sub-Saharn gold trade and the city of Grenada was one of the largest cities at the time.

Yes, but I fear Trin does not like Granada.

 

[Grand Historian]

It would have helped if it was western tech as it used to be

How is it deserving of being Western in 1444?

and some missions like the ones Byzantium has giving you a ton of prestige and military tradition. Furthermore, There could be a Granadan claim on Ceuta as it briefly controlled the province before several times.

Really? I never knew that. When did it control Ceuta?

 

[migalhone]

Never played Granada myself, but they do have interesting NI's and it's probably quite the challenge to play, if one has the Re-Reconquista goal.

I certainly wouldn't mind giving them, and the Maghreb nations, a bit more love, whether by increasing the starting development, setting historical friendships so that they actually band together against heathen invaders, or some other thing.

I'm Portuguese and i think it's a bit ridiculous that Portugal, along with other Iberian countries, can slice the Maghreb between them without much difficulty.

Anyway, maybe with the new expansion things will be different.

EDIT: Oh and by the way, split Alentejo already for Christ sake, will you?? Split development if you must!

 

[AndreasPhokas]

This inspired me to do a Madurai run. So far so good, vijaya got trucked early on by bahmanis. I took Ceylon in my opening go(I took kotte, vassalized the other half then later annexed). Bahmanis released coromandel and Andhra broke their alliance with vijaya.

Afterwards me and Andhra beat the crap outa vijaya allowing me to retake all but one of my cores. Also capitals having zero autonomy is great. Vijaya's autonomy on my cores was at 100% so whenever I took the provinces over....well......yeah 100% autonomy. Perhaps that's something that could get looked at? If i'm reclaiming a core its autonomy could atleast be dipped to say 50% or so since the people SHOULD be happy to be apart of my empire(vijaya being a different culture and all)