Three Hurrays, Not Much Germany

Dinsdale · Dec 8, 2003

I've read some of the German unification threads (too late though) but I still don't really have a clear idea of what exactly needs to be done in order for the German states to join.

Had the Austro-Prussian war, won it, then had the Franco-Prussian war which fired off the 3 Hurrays.

Germany formed, but it's just Prussia.

Is there any way to manually kick off events which force the German minors into unification?

unmerged(21839) · Dec 8, 2003

Yeah dude. I spent like a month figuring it out. But now it works 100% of the time.

1) Deny the Frankfurt Assembly event

2) If you look in Prussias events.txt and look up the date for "The Conservative Empire"... its like April 20 1848 (but double check).
By this date, you have to be yourself a non-democratic monarchy or constitutional monarchy. You also need allllll the little German states (except Austria - which has nothing to do with it) be also MONARCHY or CONSTITUTIONAL. You can see their government forms in the ledger... LOOK CLOSELY becuase a lot of times the really tiny ones like "Saxo-Gotha" and "Hesse" are democracys... you need to annex those ones that are democracies prior to THE CONSERVATIVE EMPIRE DATE. Its alright if some of them are annexed by you or someone else... as long as the ones that are still around are MONARCHY or CONSTITUTIONAL.

3) If that is met on the date, then the event fires and after you accept it takes like 3 days before the other states start to choose whether they vote for joining Greater Germany... I find that for some reason they all do except Braunschwieg (which is random, but still what happens to me in 4 times of doing it).

I recommend everyone try it... you gain SOOOOO MUCH RESOURCES and MANPOWER and FACTORIES... its awesome.

Dinsdale · Dec 8, 2003

Barbatomagus ,

Thanks,

I never got any of those events, I turned Constitutional monarchy, then democracy very early.

I didn't get any of the early unification events, so I thought the 1871 event would create Germany, but no. Just Prussia under a shiny new name and drab colour

Is there anything I can do now?

unmerged(21839) · Dec 8, 2003

Nawwwww

I hate the events that make the NGF... they have the same flag as regular Germany so its like two seperate nations with the same flag... its terrible!

Start over... 1848 is not long to wait... gives you time to apply everything youve learned about POPs and economy and war from your current game earlier.

I just keep starting over and over and over again... the building of an empire is fun for me, but once its powerful I get bored and surrender.

And the CONSERVATIVE EMPIRE is the funnest nation I have had... you can really bully Russia around and France gets all timid.
^_^

unmerged(12544) · Dec 8, 2003

The "Conservative Empire" event fires on April 20, 1851 or never.

When you accept the proposal of the Frankfurt assembly, there will be the NGF (North German Federation) created and there is no way you can annex them.

When you play unhistoric, you can not expect the historic events to fire for you.

unmerged(21839) · Dec 8, 2003

Oh yeah, thats right 1851! Still not that long to wait.

The Frankfurt Assembly IS THE WOOORRRSSST!!!!!! You see all these troops running around that look exactly alike with the exact same flag and they both can cross eachothers territory so it gets soooo confusing. Being invaded by Britian I kept trying to click on NGF troops and it was like trying to catch air. AARRGH!

unmerged(12435) · Dec 8, 2003

Originally posted by Panther II
The "Conservative Empire" event fires on April 20, 1851 or never.

When you accept the proposal of the Frankfurt assembly, there will be the NGF (North German Federation) created and there is no way you can annex them.

When you play unhistoric, you can not expect the historic events to fire for you.

Anyway, there should be some other possibility to create Germany - not only the historic way

Dinsdale · Dec 8, 2003

Hang on, it's not the 1851 event I was thinking of. Doesn't that lead to 2 Germanies for all time?

What I was thinking was unification after sacking Paris; isn't that what happened??? If not, what did I bother fighting a war against Austria for in 1866?

unmerged(12544) · Dec 8, 2003

Originally posted by Dinsdale
Hang on, it's not the 1851 event I was thinking of. Doesn't that lead to 2 Germanies for all time?

No, all minors can join.

Originally posted by Dinsdale
What I was thinking was unification after sacking Paris; isn't that what happened??? If not, what did I bother fighting a war against Austria for in 1866?

Ok, then wait 20 years longer.

Rya · Dec 8, 2003

Panther II said:
When you accept the proposal of the Frankfurt assembly, there will be the NGF (North German Federation) created and there is no way you can annex them.

Not entirely true. You can still pull off the Popular Unification event. But be sure to be at least Constitutional Monarchy before you accept the Frankfurt assembly proposal, otherwise NGF will get Monarchy as form of government, which pretty much screws you. Of course all the South German + Austria states must not be monarchies, which probably won't happen by itself, so you have to conquer and make them satellites (they will take over you're FoG, or so i think).

unmerged(8363) · Dec 8, 2003

hey, just annex all the other German states and occupy Paris in the Franco-Prussian war! You can even be a Democracy, like i was

unmerged(12544) · Dec 8, 2003

Rya said:
Not entirely true. You can still pull off the Popular Unification event. But be sure to be at least Constitutional Monarchy before you accept the Frankfurt assembly proposal, otherwise NGF will get Monarchy as form of government, which pretty much screws you. Of course all the South German + Austria states must not be monarchies, which probably won't happen by itself, so you have to conquer and make them satellites (they will take over you're FoG, or so i think).

Accepted, but very unlikely. It is simply easier to annex all non-monarchies and go the "Conservative Empire" way.
The "Popular Unification" opens the door for Austria to join, when Hungary exists, but that's also unlikely. I have read, that in the next patch there should be a chance for Prussia/Germany to annex/inherit the NGF.

Darkrenown · Dec 9, 2003

Dinsdale said:
What I was thinking was unification after sacking Paris; isn't that what happened??? If not, what did I bother fighting a war against Austria for in 1866?

You're trying for the historic way while you're being told about the early ahistorical way. o do it the historical way decline franfurt, beat Austria in the 66 war and take Paris after 71. Since you've done that I think you've had a huge amount of bad luck and all the minors have turned down joining with you. They all get a choice after the 3 hurrays and normally most of the accept.

unmerged(18269) · Dec 9, 2003

You dont have to beat Austria. Just beat France.
I duno if its a bug or not but in 66 as Austria I just destroyed Prussia. Me and my German allies mutilated them.
Of course it was a great shock and disguist that in 71 they ALL happily got annexed by the Prussians

unmerged(14583) · Dec 10, 2003

Ok.. IF I understand this all correctly.. and by all means set me straight when I screw it up

When they say the early Frankfurt Assembly options prevents real unification I believe what it really prevents is the formation of the SGF. Same with the war with Austria, you don't need it to become Germany but you do need it for the SGF to form. I have yet to find a way to inhereit NGF or SGF as Germany so it SEEMS the only way to unify via events are the ahistoric Conservative Empire sort of stuff. The NGF and SGF formation events involve a few yes or no options so it's not too hard to see it not working out even IF it was all just right.

So is this about right? These are some tough events to read spread out in a bunch of files.. but from what I gather you either go with the ahistorical 'annex anybody who isn't the proper political alignment', create ngf and let it be your satellite, I thought I saw sgf can satellite with Austria so no help there, or just take the the buggers over on your way to Paris.

Dinsdale · Dec 10, 2003

Darkrenown said:
You're trying for the historic way while you're being told about the early ahistorical way. o do it the historical way decline franfurt, beat Austria in the 66 war and take Paris after 71. Since you've done that I think you've had a huge amount of bad luck and all the minors have turned down joining with you. They all get a choice after the 3 hurrays and normally most of the accept.

Thanks, that explains things.

I went through historically; Denmark, support Russia, Austria, France. No minors joined, maybe because I was a democracy

unmerged(21919) · Dec 10, 2003

The fellow earlier is right.
I went democracy in 1838, never got any of the 1840's-50's event for German unification. So I made sure Austria was my ally, and over 6 years I unified Germany the old fashioned way. (The gun)
France attaked me though and took Freiburg.
5 years latter in 1865 I took back Freiburg, and got Lille thrown in for my Belgian allies. Hehehe.
At present my game is at 1870...
I am so looking forward to the Franco-Prussian war, so my name will forever be Germania.

unmerged(14583) · Dec 10, 2003

Culias said:
The fellow earlier is right.
I went democracy in 1838, never got any of the 1840's-50's event for German unification. So I made sure Austria was my ally, and over 6 years I unified Germany the old fashioned way. (The gun)
France attaked me though and took Freiburg.
5 years latter in 1865 I took back Freiburg, and got Lille thrown in for my Belgian allies. Hehehe.
At present my game is at 1870...
I am so looking forward to the Franco-Prussian war, so my name will forever be Germania.

Just went for my first REAL Prussian game and choose this strategy. I poured over even files for days trying to track everything down and finally realized.. I've been forcibly unifying Germany under the gun for two years now... I sure ain't gonna let France and UberAustria stop me now

Peaceful/event driven unification events will be fun.. in the meantime this feels quite normal to ME

Darkrenown · Dec 10, 2003

AlexanderG said:
You dont have to beat Austria. Just beat France.

I thought there was a won war tag in the event trigger. Is that not working or is it not meant to be needed at all? What if you just give in to Austrian leadership and avoid the war alltogether? It'd be strange if you could still unite Germany after giving up all claim to lead it...

Culise · Dec 10, 2003

Well, if there's supposed to be one, they forgot it...

Code:

	id = 4632
	random = no
	country = PRU

	picture = 4632

	trigger = {
		control = { province = 657 data = PRU } # Paris
	}

	name = "EVT_4632_NAME"
	desc = "EVT_4632_DESC"
	style = 0

	date = { day = 15 month = january year = 1871 }
	offset = 15
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1920 }

All you need to do as Prussia is control Paris at any time between 15/1/1871 and 30/12/1920.

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