Three Hurrahs Bug

[Seething Clay]

So I'm in Siam, just quietly kicking myself for not knowing there were so many machine parts on the market and going state capitalist earlier, when I realise it's coming up to 1870. Prussia is not funding its military much by the look of things (size of regiments) , and France has a big army and is no. 2 mil rank. War comes. I look forward to ahistorical fun. Austria gets a 'Revanche!' event and DOWs Prussia a few days after France does. France marches through the Rhineland and soundly defeats Prussia in western Germany. Austria drops out of the war yielding a couple of provinces.

But weirdly, even though Prussia is being smashed to pieces, in January 1871 the Three Hurrahs fires and France is defeated.

I just commented the event out and reloaded in the end, as Prussia had no chance of winning, and the 'Napoleonic Victory!' thing fired fine.

Prussia won the 1866 war and the European set-up seemed normal. They did lose against Denmark though, and Russia totally failed to implement post-Sevastopol reforms by the look of all its krepostnoy pops.

 

[unmerged(136147)]

VIP has different events for human and AI players. While this is generally a good idea, they're overdoing it a bit.
If both sides (in this case France and Prussia) are AI than the historical outcome will simply always happen.

 

[unmerged(131989)]

The formation of Germany was quite a pivotal point in 19th century history. As such, many events and chains are tied to it's formation, and thus it is essential that it fires. For this reason, in AI-AI situations, there is a large benefit given to ensure the historical outcome.

If we could control the AI better then we would not need this. Also, if we had more ahistoric chains worked out then we wouldn't need this. However, there is still a fair amount of work that needs to be done and fine tuned before we can remove such determinism.

 

[Seething Clay]

Heya, thanks for the response. Must be difficult with these things.

I may (at my own risk of course ) play about with removing these ai peaces.

 

[unmerged(136147)]

The formation of Germany was quite a pivotal point in 19th century history. As such, many events and chains are tied to it's formation, and thus it is essential that it fires. For this reason, in AI-AI situations, there is a large benefit given to ensure the historical outcome.

Understandable, and when I'm playing on the other side of the world I like things to happen historically in Europe.
However you should add NOT = { alliance = { country = FRA country = SCA }
to the list of alliances which prevent the AI version of The Three Hurrays for the next release.
Otherwise a Scandinavia player trying to gang up with France on Prussia gets a nasty surprise

 

[unmerged(131989)]

Understandable, and when I'm playing on the other side of the world I like things to happen historically in Europe.
However you should add NOT = { alliance = { country = FRA country = SCA }
to the list of alliances which prevent the AI version of The Three Hurrays for the next release.
Otherwise a Scandinavia player trying to gang up with France on Prussia gets a nasty surprise

What do you mean? If that SCA gets into a war with Prussia then by all means it should.

 

[unmerged(136147)]

I mean event 4632 (Three Hurrays for Germany) . For the AI it includes this trigger:

AND = { #new 04-07, edited 03/08
				ai = yes
				exists = FRA
				ai = FRA
				year = 1871
				NOT = {
					alliance = { country = FRA country = ENG } #alliance with some outside power
					}
				NOT = {
					alliance = { country = FRA country = RUS }
					}
				NOT = {
					alliance = { country = FRA country = USA }
					}
				NOT = {
					alliance = { country = FRA country = SPA }
					}
				NOT = {
					alliance = { country = FRA country = ITA }
					}
				NOT = {
					alliance = { country = FRA country = AUS }
					}
				NOT = {
					alliance = { country = FRA country = HOL }
					}
				NOT = {
					alliance = { country = FRA country = BEL }
					}
				NOT = {
					alliance = { country = FRA country = SWE }
					}
				}

Every somewhat important country in Europe is added so Scandinavia should as well if it did previously form.

 

[unmerged(131989)]

Ahh, yeah, I agree.