Persia inherits Timurid?
You know maybe Japan should have worked on allying with Ming instead of sweeting up to Korea.
You know maybe Japan should have worked on allying with Ming instead of sweeting up to Korea.
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Storey said:
This sounds like quite positive news, so I'd bet that you indeed inherited someone (Aragon?)...
However you should be aware, that your alliance with Burgundy makes it possible that Sicily will join them in a war against TO while you're busy in distant Asia.... :wacko:
ColossusCrucher - I have no shame. 
Duke of Wellington - God knows what’s going on with Korea. For the first couple of hundred years they are fixated on Japan. Then they go dormant and now they start hitting out at of all countries Scotland. Wait to you see who they DOW next. When I play Japan next I’ll look around and see if Scotland is even in Asia.
Chief ragusa - Funny thing is Austria has been extremely quiet toward both the Teutonic Order and Sicily. I can understand that now that Burgundy is allied with Sicily no one will want to pick on Sicily and the TO has grown large enough that I think they are going to be safe from attack but why not earlier?
Murmurandus - You are wise beyond your years.
Well the fact is I couldn’t go on since I was falling asleep and after my esprit de core gaff I decided to err on the safe side and stop while I could still see the screen and make out what I was actually typing.
Boyss - You should have played this turn instead of me. As you’ll see I made a mistake or two that will leave me wondering the “what if” question. What if I’d been bold and brave and incisive and pulled my head out of where the sun don’t shine and did something right for once? Sigh, well it could be worst.
Coz1 - Well. . . yea that’s it, “magnitude”, yea it’s got real magnitude as long as you lower the bar of what constitutes magnitude.
The goldfish isn’t quite dead yet but it’s going to have to swim upstream for the rest of the game if it wants to win.
Fulcrumvale - DON’T ever say that, ever. The suckers have been as quiet as a lamb and I want them to stay that way. But your guess was close, if you change the country that attacked and the country that was attacked.
Crazypeltast52 - Burgundy gives me complete protection in Europe. I only hope they don’t drag me into a war. So far they haven’t. Aragon on the other hand has more than once so I’m not sad to see them leave my alliance.
Joe
Duke of Wellington - God knows what’s going on with Korea. For the first couple of hundred years they are fixated on Japan. Then they go dormant and now they start hitting out at of all countries Scotland. Wait to you see who they DOW next. When I play Japan next I’ll look around and see if Scotland is even in Asia.
Chief ragusa - Funny thing is Austria has been extremely quiet toward both the Teutonic Order and Sicily. I can understand that now that Burgundy is allied with Sicily no one will want to pick on Sicily and the TO has grown large enough that I think they are going to be safe from attack but why not earlier?
Murmurandus - You are wise beyond your years.
Well the fact is I couldn’t go on since I was falling asleep and after my esprit de core gaff I decided to err on the safe side and stop while I could still see the screen and make out what I was actually typing.
Boyss - You should have played this turn instead of me. As you’ll see I made a mistake or two that will leave me wondering the “what if” question. What if I’d been bold and brave and incisive and pulled my head out of where the sun don’t shine and did something right for once? Sigh, well it could be worst.
Coz1 - Well. . . yea that’s it, “magnitude”, yea it’s got real magnitude as long as you lower the bar of what constitutes magnitude.
The goldfish isn’t quite dead yet but it’s going to have to swim upstream for the rest of the game if it wants to win.
Fulcrumvale - DON’T ever say that, ever.
The suckers have been as quiet as a lamb and I want them to stay that way. But your guess was close, if you change the country that attacked and the country that was attacked. Crazypeltast52 - Burgundy gives me complete protection in Europe. I only hope they don’t drag me into a war. So far they haven’t. Aragon on the other hand has more than once so I’m not sad to see them leave my alliance.
Joe
Redbaron1918 - Positive news, what’s that? No I’m afraid it’s the other knid of news.
Yes but its been some time since Burgundy and the Teutonic Order fought each other so I’m hoping that will continue but it is a danger.
Insanity Boy - Korea was the one declaring war on Japan so I had to concentrate of getting on their good side and sending gifts to the Ming were in the 60 ducats range and Japan just couldn’t afford that. But later in the game maybe I should have tried to improve relations with them. The problem that prevents me from doing that is with EU3 getting someone to join your alliance is extremely difficult or at least for me it is so I don’t waste the money unless there is another reason such as getting military access or getting them to leave me the hell alone.
Joe
No I’m afraid it’s the other knid of news.Yes but its been some time since Burgundy and the Teutonic Order fought each other so I’m hoping that will continue but it is a danger.
Insanity Boy - Korea was the one declaring war on Japan so I had to concentrate of getting on their good side and sending gifts to the Ming were in the 60 ducats range and Japan just couldn’t afford that. But later in the game maybe I should have tried to improve relations with them. The problem that prevents me from doing that is with EU3 getting someone to join your alliance is extremely difficult or at least for me it is so I don’t waste the money unless there is another reason such as getting military access or getting them to leave me the hell alone.
Joe
Vijayanagar declared war against Japan. Boy I'll bet that met with your expectations.
Hmm, not sure if that’s good news or bad news. On second thought since I’m sure the AI has moved all my regiments to Japan this would probably be considered bad news.
For some reason I start getting hits from small countries wanting me to join their alliances. First Gotland then Motennegro, followed by Ragusa. Want to guess what my answer was?
Finally in August 1686 I’m ready and Declare war on Persia. My faithful allies join but did nothing, which was fine by me.
I truly didn’t think it was possible to be more magnificent than the last war but I was. I hurled my armies at the Persian armies, flanking and attacking and maneuvering and hacking my way across the land, my cavalry riding as if on winged stallions blessed by (fill in the blank) saint. Of course there was the fact that Persia didn’t actually have any armies in those three provinces but that didn’t stop me from hurling my forces forward in a hell bent for leather kind of way. Before long I captured everything there was to capture.
Unfortunately what I feared the most happened. When I demanded both Murgan and Shirvan for peace Persia declined my offer several times and I was forced to face the fact that I was going to have to get military access through Timurid if I wanted to continue the war.
At first I wasn’t going to settle for peace with Persia but it was taking longer, (like two years longer) than I’d hoped to improve my relations with Timurid to the point where I would have a chance of them agreeing to let me traipse across their sand dunes so I was force to make peace in August 1689 and just take Shirvan. Disappointed I was.
Still I had time and continued to try to get military access and while that was going on my stability increased to -1 and I started to have hope that it would get up to 0, which might allow me to change a national idea. I don’t know if zero is enough or if you have to be a +1. Anyway I’m projected to get to zero in October 1692. For joy, for joy.
As you can see I really need QFTNW.
I received quite a surprised when I got a message telling me that Messina defected to Sicily. I was even more surprised when I took a look and saw that Palermo also defected to me. I don’t remember getting a message about that but I’m not complaining.
In 1691 Korea declares war against . . . nope not Japan but England. Go figure that out for me.
September 1691 and I get a new king and take a stability hit that removes any chance of getting to positive stability and changing a national idea. I now see that the gods over head set me up big time for this. They led me to believe that everything was going my way and this was going to be the turn that I started to really turn the corner and make Sicily the favorite for winning the race and decided that this was the moment to lower the boom and toss my hopes and aspirations onto the nearest dung heap, churning dung beetles and all, of history.
Still there is the bright side of things. I have no idea where this optimism came from but its beginning to get on my nerves.
Finally in 1692 I get military access through Timurid. Much good it is going to do me this turn but let’s not dwell on the negatives shall we.
In 1692 Aragon declares war against Genoa. I decline to join because of this.
The yellow is Genoa and as you can see Lithuania, who is allied with Genoa, is going to be able to attack through Genoa against my eastern provinces thereby jeopardizing every drop of blood sweat and beer, I mean tears that I’ve spilled getting this far so I wave bye to Aragon, no hard feelings I hope.
One last look.
I added two provinces that defected to me and conquered two provinces. I had everything going for me and this is all I could do?
So what could I do differently? After capturing those three Persian provinces declare war on Timurid and take my chances at beating them? Looking back with 20-20 hindsight and using the best rational of a armchair general I think that’s what I should have done.
Hmm, not sure if that’s good news or bad news. On second thought since I’m sure the AI has moved all my regiments to Japan this would probably be considered bad news.
For some reason I start getting hits from small countries wanting me to join their alliances. First Gotland then Motennegro, followed by Ragusa. Want to guess what my answer was?
Finally in August 1686 I’m ready and Declare war on Persia. My faithful allies join but did nothing, which was fine by me.
I truly didn’t think it was possible to be more magnificent than the last war but I was. I hurled my armies at the Persian armies, flanking and attacking and maneuvering and hacking my way across the land, my cavalry riding as if on winged stallions blessed by (fill in the blank) saint. Of course there was the fact that Persia didn’t actually have any armies in those three provinces but that didn’t stop me from hurling my forces forward in a hell bent for leather kind of way. Before long I captured everything there was to capture.
Unfortunately what I feared the most happened. When I demanded both Murgan and Shirvan for peace Persia declined my offer several times and I was forced to face the fact that I was going to have to get military access through Timurid if I wanted to continue the war.
At first I wasn’t going to settle for peace with Persia but it was taking longer, (like two years longer) than I’d hoped to improve my relations with Timurid to the point where I would have a chance of them agreeing to let me traipse across their sand dunes so I was force to make peace in August 1689 and just take Shirvan. Disappointed I was.
Still I had time and continued to try to get military access and while that was going on my stability increased to -1 and I started to have hope that it would get up to 0, which might allow me to change a national idea. I don’t know if zero is enough or if you have to be a +1. Anyway I’m projected to get to zero in October 1692. For joy, for joy.
As you can see I really need QFTNW.
I received quite a surprised when I got a message telling me that Messina defected to Sicily. I was even more surprised when I took a look and saw that Palermo also defected to me. I don’t remember getting a message about that but I’m not complaining.
In 1691 Korea declares war against . . . nope not Japan but England. Go figure that out for me.
September 1691 and I get a new king and take a stability hit that removes any chance of getting to positive stability and changing a national idea. I now see that the gods over head set me up big time for this. They led me to believe that everything was going my way and this was going to be the turn that I started to really turn the corner and make Sicily the favorite for winning the race and decided that this was the moment to lower the boom and toss my hopes and aspirations onto the nearest dung heap, churning dung beetles and all, of history.
Still there is the bright side of things. I have no idea where this optimism came from but its beginning to get on my nerves.
Finally in 1692 I get military access through Timurid. Much good it is going to do me this turn but let’s not dwell on the negatives shall we.
In 1692 Aragon declares war against Genoa. I decline to join because of this.
The yellow is Genoa and as you can see Lithuania, who is allied with Genoa, is going to be able to attack through Genoa against my eastern provinces thereby jeopardizing every drop of blood sweat and beer, I mean tears that I’ve spilled getting this far so I wave bye to Aragon, no hard feelings I hope.
One last look.
I added two provinces that defected to me and conquered two provinces. I had everything going for me and this is all I could do?
So what could I do differently? After capturing those three Persian provinces declare war on Timurid and take my chances at beating them? Looking back with 20-20 hindsight and using the best rational of a armchair general I think that’s what I should have done.
Storey said:
I know it was Korea, but if you were able and had allied with Ming there would be a chance Ming would side with you in a war against Korea. Ming would have then eaten them, putting an end to that problem. Then you could have used Mings manpower to crush all who stand in your way. Of course if Ming was allied with 2+ nations and the high cost of improving relations are 2 things that might screw up this plan. However I doubt money is that big a problem with you seeing you are trying to get hyperinflation
I think the trick to achieving your goals in this game is to try to win a war against the Timurid Empire in one turn. I can see you winning a war with the Tims, but it would probably take longer than a turn, and the AI would probably lose all your gains.
The Ottomans at war with Lithuania made it a first rate chance to gain another province in the east and extract large numbers of ducats from Genoa. Aragon failed to keep Sicily from Sicily and Sardinai looks as though it will soon follow suit. It could not keep hold of Genoa. The ai will join Aragon, Castille and Albania in alliance. How could you turn down Ragusa's offer of alliance? Don't you want Sicily to arch against he Ottomans. oh wait! I recall you did express the negative that never, until hell freezes over, would you attack the Ottomans.
Those mamluks continue their remorseless march through Muscovy. They should have been made Sicily's new and bestest friend. A war with them could take years to recover from. I peer into the metaphorical crystal ball and see Sicily and the Mamluks fighting the thirty years war.
Austria's getting stronger and if she gains a general by the name of Eugene, watch out.
What are complaining about? The Japanese have to go through Vijayanagar to get to the Timurids. Your Samurai would complain unless they had an army to carve their way through. The Japanese turn should be interesting.
Those mamluks continue their remorseless march through Muscovy. They should have been made Sicily's new and bestest friend. A war with them could take years to recover from. I peer into the metaphorical crystal ball and see Sicily and the Mamluks fighting the thirty years war.
Austria's getting stronger and if she gains a general by the name of Eugene, watch out.
What are complaining about? The Japanese have to go through Vijayanagar to get to the Timurids. Your Samurai would complain unless they had an army to carve their way through. The Japanese turn should be interesting.
I have to agree with InsanityBoy here - the AI will likely lose much of what you gain if still at war when the turn is up. But still, consider that those fine folks in newly conquered Persia are getting their first taste of fine Sicilian cuisine. That's got to be worth something, right?
Storey said:
That's OK, I think we'll need some time to digest the image of the mighty Timurid fleet blockading the Baltic coasts
Storey said:
I agree with previous posters here, starting a war so late in your turn would have left the AI to squander your gains, you did the right thing. This turn with Sicily was spotless by any standards!! Next time you might even find yourself with positive stability
aldriq said:Next time you might even find yourself with positive stability
I want whatever aldriq is smoking :rofl:
Insanity Boy - The problem with Ming and for that matter any country is the difficulty in getting them to join an alliance. I’ve had great relations with Korea for most of the game and they haven’t joined me in a alliance since the beginning of the game. It would cost me a lot of ducats to find out the same thing about Ming. Same thing with Lithuania and the Teutonic Order. And then out of the blue Burgundy decided to join Sicily but why? That’s the part of the game I haven’t figured out yet. It seems I have to raise relations and wait for the AI to decide it wants to join me not the other way around. At least most of the time.
Germanpeon - I seem to be having a problem in even getting to the Timurid to fight them. But I’m going to try with the TO and Sicily. Japan is still too far away but hopefully after this turn they will be closer.
Chief Ragusa - Oh that’s exactly how I would describe the next turn with Japan, interesting”. I’ve only played the first 3-4 years and it’s become too damn interesting.
Coz1 - You know I think the AI has a better chance of holding on to what I grab than most here. Over the course of the game they’ve only lost a couple of provinces that I won and later they recovered those provinces. I think if I can grab something, anything, from Timurid there is a better than 50/50 chance the AI will hold on to it. The problem is I haven’t figured out how to grab anything from the Timurid.
Fulcrumvale - It gets worst.
Aldriq - I have to agree with Insanity Boy. To use a phrase from my hippy days “Don’t Bogart that joint”.
Joe
Germanpeon - I seem to be having a problem in even getting to the Timurid to fight them. But I’m going to try with the TO and Sicily. Japan is still too far away but hopefully after this turn they will be closer.
Chief Ragusa - Oh that’s exactly how I would describe the next turn with Japan, interesting”. I’ve only played the first 3-4 years and it’s become too damn interesting.
Coz1 - You know I think the AI has a better chance of holding on to what I grab than most here. Over the course of the game they’ve only lost a couple of provinces that I won and later they recovered those provinces. I think if I can grab something, anything, from Timurid there is a better than 50/50 chance the AI will hold on to it. The problem is I haven’t figured out how to grab anything from the Timurid.
Fulcrumvale - It gets worst.
Aldriq - I have to agree with Insanity Boy. To use a phrase from my hippy days “Don’t Bogart that joint”.
Joe
1693 Japan
Will a boat sink on a rising tide of inflation?
At least I’m at peace but once again my manpower pool is as empty as my local outdoor swimming pool on a winter’s day. Hmm it looks like I have a hell of a lot of men back in Japan.
Speaking of which why are they all marching around and none of them is marching toward the rebels in Mutsu?
Attrition is also an issue that will only grow as they add men.
At least I still have men in South East Asia but they are in bad shape.
So is this the result of the war with Vijayanagar? I never saw a peace agreement in the messages so I don’t know but it’s the only explanation that makes sense. Looking at my revolt risk it makes sense. I guess I shouldn’t complain since I’m at least at peace.
Okay I’m at -3 stability and its going to take a while to get to -2 so that I can start my move toward Timurid.
Not sure how the hell I’m going to take the first step but we’ll have to wait and see if I can pull a rabbit out of my hat.
I don’t know why but I’ve had my revolt risk this high and higher but for some reason the rebels took it to heart this time and I had constant revolts springing up across my country.
I just remember to look around to see if Scotland or England held any provinces that I could see and the answer is no. So I don’t know why Korea would DOW them. Mecklenburg did colonize Taiwan.
Will a boat sink on a rising tide of inflation?
At least I’m at peace but once again my manpower pool is as empty as my local outdoor swimming pool on a winter’s day. Hmm it looks like I have a hell of a lot of men back in Japan.
Speaking of which why are they all marching around and none of them is marching toward the rebels in Mutsu?
Attrition is also an issue that will only grow as they add men.
At least I still have men in South East Asia but they are in bad shape.
So is this the result of the war with Vijayanagar? I never saw a peace agreement in the messages so I don’t know but it’s the only explanation that makes sense. Looking at my revolt risk it makes sense. I guess I shouldn’t complain since I’m at least at peace.
Okay I’m at -3 stability and its going to take a while to get to -2 so that I can start my move toward Timurid.
Not sure how the hell I’m going to take the first step but we’ll have to wait and see if I can pull a rabbit out of my hat.
I don’t know why but I’ve had my revolt risk this high and higher but for some reason the rebels took it to heart this time and I had constant revolts springing up across my country.
I just remember to look around to see if Scotland or England held any provinces that I could see and the answer is no. So I don’t know why Korea would DOW them. Mecklenburg did colonize Taiwan.
Of course my revolt situation wasn’t helped when this event popped up.
I chose ignore them which led to this.
Boy those revolts were a heck of a lot of fun to put down. Barrel of laughs, the most fun I’ve had since I was twelve when my friend Billy Bob and I went down to the marsh just out side of our housing development on Whidey island to go fishing. Which is itself is an interesting story since neither of us had ever fished before but that’s a whole other story and we need to stay focused. So there we were hooking worms on our, well hooks silly. What do you think we were hooking them on? Okay back to the story. We were doing fine as we cast our impaled worms out over the mud flats when the first faint buzz wavered past our ears. Billy Bob and I had just enough time to look at each other when in I’d say three blinks of an eye we were surrounded by a cloud of hungry mosquitoes. We actually tried to swat them away before we realized that we were being eaten alive. I’ve never run that fast in my life and I’m still feeling guilty about tap dancing on Billy Bob’s back when I ran over him because he slipped and fell down. We both slipped and skidded on the clay pathway all the way home and man were our mothers pissed when they saw how muddy we were. Do you know how hard it is to come up with a story about how you became covered in mud and it wasn’t your fault? Oh, back to the game.
All right there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.
Several more months, a year at the outside and I should be ready to test Vijayanagar. Yep I plan on pushing them around.
As you can see as my regiments fill up the cost is beginning to be felt.
Oh and I’ve given up on worrying about inflation. I do believe 43.1 is a record for me so we are venturing forth on a thin layer of virgin ice that covers a bottomless lake.
So my next opponent is going to be Vijayanagar but I have a problem.
There are close to 44,000 men just on the border and who knows how many more that I can’t see. I’ve been ferrying men from Japan to South East Asia the entire turn with the occasional stop off to put down a revolt somewhere on the way but I still don’t have the men anywhere near ready to take on these numbers. Also they are at land tech 8 so I don’t have an advantage. I’m figuring on another year before I’m ready to stomp on Vijayanagar.
I’M NOT READY!
Crap.
I chose ignore them which led to this.
Boy those revolts were a heck of a lot of fun to put down. Barrel of laughs, the most fun I’ve had since I was twelve when my friend Billy Bob and I went down to the marsh just out side of our housing development on Whidey island to go fishing. Which is itself is an interesting story since neither of us had ever fished before but that’s a whole other story and we need to stay focused. So there we were hooking worms on our, well hooks silly. What do you think we were hooking them on? Okay back to the story. We were doing fine as we cast our impaled worms out over the mud flats when the first faint buzz wavered past our ears. Billy Bob and I had just enough time to look at each other when in I’d say three blinks of an eye we were surrounded by a cloud of hungry mosquitoes. We actually tried to swat them away before we realized that we were being eaten alive. I’ve never run that fast in my life and I’m still feeling guilty about tap dancing on Billy Bob’s back when I ran over him because he slipped and fell down. We both slipped and skidded on the clay pathway all the way home and man were our mothers pissed when they saw how muddy we were. Do you know how hard it is to come up with a story about how you became covered in mud and it wasn’t your fault? Oh, back to the game.
All right there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.
Several more months, a year at the outside and I should be ready to test Vijayanagar. Yep I plan on pushing them around.
As you can see as my regiments fill up the cost is beginning to be felt.
Oh and I’ve given up on worrying about inflation. I do believe 43.1 is a record for me so we are venturing forth on a thin layer of virgin ice that covers a bottomless lake.
So my next opponent is going to be Vijayanagar but I have a problem.
There are close to 44,000 men just on the border and who knows how many more that I can’t see. I’ve been ferrying men from Japan to South East Asia the entire turn with the occasional stop off to put down a revolt somewhere on the way but I still don’t have the men anywhere near ready to take on these numbers. Also they are at land tech 8 so I don’t have an advantage. I’m figuring on another year before I’m ready to stomp on Vijayanagar.
I’M NOT READY!
Crap.
Storey said:
Another Minglike war on your hands. Stabilize the frontline and sneakattack them from behind, getting some provinces.
I wish tou had airplanes
Everything is still not lost.
Ouch, that was one hell of a revolt in Toungoo. I've never seen anything as big as that.
I've come to a conclusion about Korea's behaviour. They feel that the title of this AAR ought to be Four Countries One Goal, and they want in. So like a spoilt child after that shiny firetruck in a toy store they're throwing a tantrum and generally trying to get attention. Since attacking you would just steel you against them they are instead acting bizarre in order to achieve this. Don't give in.
BTW how big is Korea now?
I've come to a conclusion about Korea's behaviour. They feel that the title of this AAR ought to be Four Countries One Goal, and they want in. So like a spoilt child after that shiny firetruck in a toy store they're throwing a tantrum and generally trying to get attention. Since attacking you would just steel you against them they are instead acting bizarre in order to achieve this. Don't give in.
BTW how big is Korea now?
Wow. You've outdone DoW for revolts. I think there should be a trophy for that.
Vann
Vann
So don't fight them in SE Asia. Use your fleet to transport the troops there to India. Any provinces you lose, will revolt back to you. You better have a damn good admiral.
You have to work out the fewest number of provinces that you need to take from the coast to the Timurids. If rebels spring up, let rebellion sweep as many of
Vijayanagar's provinces as possible though its revolt risk is likely to be very low. A detour for one army to Bali from Japan would gain a profitable vassal.
Keep fighting for three years and others will join in against your enemy.
You have to work out the fewest number of provinces that you need to take from the coast to the Timurids. If rebels spring up, let rebellion sweep as many of
Vijayanagar's provinces as possible though its revolt risk is likely to be very low. A detour for one army to Bali from Japan would gain a profitable vassal.
Keep fighting for three years and others will join in against your enemy.
Solved that little problem for you, didn't they?
Wow, that was some revolt. Japan must have been at war nearly the whole time you were away. Well done mopping up. The bright spot is that your armies are at full maint so the surprise DoW could have been worse. But I am thinking you are not yet at full levels in your regiments...that hurts, especially with the large armies about to face off with you. Good luck.
Wow, that was some revolt. Japan must have been at war nearly the whole time you were away. Well done mopping up. The bright spot is that your armies are at full maint so the surprise DoW could have been worse. But I am thinking you are not yet at full levels in your regiments...that hurts, especially with the large armies about to face off with you. Good luck.