Threat in ck2+

[Daled]

I feel like I am missing something about how threat works in ck2+. The threat decay of 0,06 per month seems way too low. So I would like to ask if there is any other way to reduce threat other than releasing non dejure vassals.

I tried staying at peace for some time, even took the 10 years of peace ambition, but that did not work either.

 

[vukica]

I feel like I am missing something about how threat works in ck2+. The threat decay of 0,06 per month seems way too low. So I would like to ask if there is any other way to reduce threat other than releasing non dejure vassals.

I tried staying at peace for some time, even took the 10 years of peace ambition, but that did not work either.

giving out titles reduces threat.

it's very hard to get a really high threat unless you're already a big empire and conquest is easy. in that case, you are threatening.

 

[Daled]

What do you mean by giving out titles? Granting titles to people who are already vassals reduces my threat by 0,00 %. Even granting independence to vassal kings reduces threat by less than 1 %.

 

[vukica]

What do you mean by giving out titles? Granting titles to people who are already vassals reduces my threat by 0,00 %. Even granting independence to vassal kings reduces threat by less than 1 %.

I think they have to be unlanded

 

[vukica]

I may be completely wrong here :/

EDIT: apparently only granting independence does that.

 

[Daled]

Sadly that also reduces threat by 0,00 %.

EDIT:Granting independence? That reduces threat by less than 1 % for a kingdom.

 

[Daled]

Also did a little looking around and even counts get only 0,06 % reduction per month, which means that the smaller you start, the sooner threat bites you.

 

[vukica]

Also did a little looking around and even counts get only 0,06 % reduction per month, which means that the smaller you start, the sooner threat bites you.

wrong, you only start getting threat after a certain realm size.

 

[Daled]

Fair enough then, but the current setup still means that once you start gaining threat, you are unlikely to lose it. If that is intended, fair enough. I did not like it this way so I revrote the defines to return to vanilla values.

 

[zslayern]

Waging wars with 100% should'nt be that hard, just blitzkrieg into your targeted counties/fiefs with your retinues and the war should end before anybody can even lift a finger.
Source: am Byzantine that is 1 duchy away from forming Rome at 823 a.d.

 

[Azhcristokos]

Is there a way to mod threat to decay a bit more quickly? I don't want to eliminate it entirely but it'd be nice to have it go down a little faster. I went from 5-20% threat after putting my Kingdom of Norway back together after an elective gavelkind succession...

 

[queermobile]

Is there a way to mod threat to decay a bit more quickly? I don't want to eliminate it entirely but it'd be nice to have it go down a little faster. I went from 5-20% threat after putting my Kingdom of Norway back together after an elective gavelkind succession...

Go to Documents\Paradox Interactive\Crusader Kings II\mod\CK2Plus\common\defines and open CK2plus_temp and edit the values there

 

[Azhcristokos]

Go to Documents\Paradox Interactive\Crusader Kings II\mod\CK2Plus\common\defines and open CK2plus_temp and edit the values there

Thank you!

 

[vukica]

iirc, the next official patch will allow game start configuration, so that will probably be a way to shut it off.

we won't touch it until we know more.

 

[Varusya]

wrong, you only start getting threat after a certain realm size.

started as a chief of mochkava, conquered 2 neighboring chiefdoms and got 16.8 threat. the same amount i got as byzantine emperor, after 2-3 holy wars. so the statement is not true

 

[LordPeter]

The real problem is that threat can stay forever if you are unlucky.
I wanted to suggest something about this already, but the game in question was a few versions ago and I was busy modding myself.
Well, here comes my story now:

I was playing a Slavic tribal, started somewhere on the Polish coast and yes I was growing a lot, waging wars after wars.
As I at some point managed to pass Elective Gavelkind (and, interestingly, full status of woman) I was worried when I noticed my realm had grown beyond the size of one kingdom.
So I managed to rush an emperor title after lots of looting, but alas I forgot that vassals could still declare independence.
Well, so I was sitting there, a really old (in his 70s or so) Slavic tribal emperor, and decided it was time to die.
I had been at relatively high (20%+ or so) thread for this ruler's entire life, and had started to accumulate threat even with the one before him. I was planning on having a period of peace now and wait for threat to go away. I was strong enough now to even hold the (luckily fractured) Chalcedonian realms off, and thought I had the time.
But then, my ruler died. Succession, and as I was in Elecitve Gavelkind and my heir not perfect, two of the de jure kingdoms of my empire declared independence. Boom. Suddenly my realm was at half its original size.
Well, time to take the stray sheep back into the herd I thought.
But behold! My threat hadn't decreased at all.
I was still at 25% threat or so, and thus my aunt and nephew decided they would join the existing Pagan defensive pact against me.

So maybe this was unique since I was Elective Gavelkind, but it was definitely illogical to stay at the same threat after succession. Heck, I could have even lost another would-be kingdom if I had been even more unlucky, but in the eyes of the world I would still be the giant oppressor my father used to be.
And if I conquered them again, I would then be at the exact realm size I used to be, but at much higher threat! If this had happened again upon the next succession, I could have probably gone to 100% threat without growing my realm at all.
I was too frustrated by this so I stopped playing this save, but I really wonder now why I didn't bring it up back then.

So anyway now my suggestion is to
a) take independece upon succession into account, and
b) maybe lose a minor amount of threat on succession. Kinda like your vassals inherit part of the opinion they had on your predecessor, but not full.

 

[BrokenSky]

Personally I think it would be nice if threat decreased more the longer you were at peace for (that is, the longer you've gone without declaring an offensive war, not being an ally or being attacked! ). Don't know if it can easily be made to act that way though; maybe tie it to personal modifiers? Or just have ambitions like "reign peacefully" (the long, non-prosperity ones) give a threat reduction bonus as an additional reward.

 

[karmaepsilon]

Not to rez but oh man this thread was so useful for me. Threat just seems to be a lot faster to generate and slower to decline the last few months. I like defensive pacts but not being at 55% for 4 generations while decadence skyrockets due to not being able to do holy wars and such.