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Oh he is my vassal from the very beginning, he ate some sheep along the way lol (bye bye Qoyunlus)
Scary part is he is getting stronger than me... literally fought wars when I had no army. I must say VeF has much better vassals compared to base game. Also no it's the historical start not the OP Byzantium one.
 

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Kebab, (Persian: کباب‎), (also kebap or kabab) is a Middle Eastern dish of pieces of meat, fish, or vegetables roasted or grilled on a skewer or spit[1] originating in the Middle East,[2][3] and later adopted in Central Asia and by the regions of the former Mongol Empire and later Ottoman Empire, before spreading worldwide.

WTF are you guys talking about? Oh yeah, I had one 2 weeks ago at a Persian restaurant.

If it is a slur for Turks and Arabs? Would Pierogi be a slur for Russians and Poles, then?
 

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So? WTF? Okay, let's we all call other's country as their meals. Hey, where is my Burgerstan?
I'm half German half Polish. Feel free to call me a Kraut Pierog, its silly and kinda dumb but go for it. And calling me a Burgerstan because I'm an American would just make me laugh. Actually one of my buddies is nicknamed Burger, so yeah, still don't get your outrage.

I love kebabs, love burgers, love pierogi, love sour kraut with my brats and with my kielbasa. The fact that you'd be offended by this, is ridonkculous.
 

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I'm half German half Polish. Feel free to call me a Kraut Pierog, its silly and kinda dumb but go for it. And calling me a Burgerstan because I'm an American would just make me laugh.

Burgerstan would be the most terrifying horde of all.

Anyway, OP is more about the general's name.
 

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Kebab, (Persian: کباب‎), (also kebap or kabab) is a Middle Eastern dish of pieces of meat, fish, or vegetables roasted or grilled on a skewer or spit[1] originating in the Middle East,[2][3] and later adopted in Central Asia and by the regions of the former Mongol Empire and later Ottoman Empire, before spreading worldwide.

WTF are you guys talking about? Oh yeah, I had one 2 weeks ago at a Persian restaurant.

If it is a slur for Turks and Arabs? Would Pierogi be a slur for Russians and Poles, then?
It's less of a slur than it is an internet meme.
 

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I'm half German half Polish. Feel free to call me a Kraut Pierog, its silly and kinda dumb but go for it. And calling me a Burgerstan because I'm an American would just make me laugh. Actually one of my buddies is nicknamed Burger, so yeah, still don't get your outrage.
I don't think you understand racism..
 

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Wow, interesting. But thanks I don't do it. And never did. Because of esteem to others.
Look, there are nicknames and there are messed up slurs. Trust me, if being named after the national food of your country is the greatest of your worries then you are experiencing 1st world problems.

There are people starving to death, who'd love to have your problems. There are people dying of thirst because they dare not drink polluted water and watching their children die of easily curable diseases, who wouldn't flinch to trade places with you. There are entire nations watching brutal monsters rape, maim, and lynch their families, they have REAL problems.

You and I being nicknamed after food, which is abundant in our countries, that's not a real problem, that's a blessing and we should be thanking God for being as lucky as we are, before we next go to sleep. Its all about perspective, trust me laughing it off is easy because tomorrow you'll still be sitting comfortably behind your computer, instead of fearing where your next meal is coming from and whether or not your family is safe.
 
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Look, there are nicknames and there are messed up slurs. Trust me, if being named after the national food of your country is the greatest of your worries then you are experiencing 1st world problems.

There are people starving to death, who'd love to have your problems. There are people dying of thirst because they dare not drink polluted water and watching their children die of easily curable diseases, who wouldn't flinch to trade places with you. There are entire nations watching brutal monsters rape, maim, and lynch their families, they have REAL problems.

You and I being nicknamed after food, which is abundant in our countries, that's not a real problem, that's a blessing and we should be thanking God for being as lucky as we are, before we next go to sleep. Its all about perspective, trust me laughing it off is easy because tomorrow you'll still be sitting comfortably behind your computer, instead of fearing where your next meal is coming from and whether or not your family is safe.

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Your main idea true but BUT nothing to do with our topic.
 

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Of course it's a slur, it's from a video that makes it pretty bloody obvious that it a derogatory term aimed at Turkish people. It's just new enough that its use hasn't been stigmatised to the same degree as other ethnic slurs.
 

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The main issue with kebab is that we all know which video that meme came from, and the sensitive context of 'remove kebab'. Many forums probably don't know where the Balkan area is, but this is a history forum...
 

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The main issue with kebab is that we all know which video that meme came from, and the sensitive context of 'remove kebab'. Many forums probably don't know where the Balkan area is, but this is a history forum...
So how long has it been a sensitive word? We're talking 50-100 years? Or is this something only pimple faced teenagers would know?
 

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So how long has it been a sensitive word? We're talking 50-100 years? Or is this something only pimple faced teenagers would know?
Its sensitive on a history forum with many participants from different backgrounds. Get over it, You could use it in your daily life and people wouldn't care, but just on this forum its inappropriate.
 
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