This patch and the handling of it have really damaged my faith in the company.

[balmung60]

Not even in the slightest, especially if you go back to years before CK 2 and EU4 when they started releasing games with some amount of polish. It's not even new to Stellaris for those who were around for the infamous "bug fixing patch" that undoubtedly left the game in a worse state than the previous version.

Not to say that's okay though, because Paradox has gone on record a number of times over the last years saying they don't want to be that way anymore. And as they make their games more accessible they really can't be. Some of the hardcore fans may not mind playing on hot code, but casual fans will be turned away (thankfully for Paradox a lot of 2.2s problems aren't immediately obvious).

Oh, and TODO code being left in a release is unacceptable. It's bad by any standard and screams "kicked out the door."

Even within those two games, this is nothing new - CK2's performance took a huge hit from the release of Rajas of India, lasting until the release of Reaper's Due, when they cleaned up a lot of AI code, reduced largely superfluous calculations on low-importance characters, and increased culling of unimportant characters. And IIRC, CK2 at one point pushed a particularly buggy patch right before Christmas, and were thus unable to do anything about it for weeks (IIRC, for various reasons, including somehow breaking levy dismissal, it basically paralyzed the AI). And then, of course, especially with EU4, there are also the badly-received changes that actually work as designed (and issues with said design and the ability of that design to achieve its intent were often raised weeks or months before the changes went live), like the various recent missionary changes and territory corruption.

 

[Masoz]

As someone who's bought Fallout 76, Destiny 2 and No Mans Sky ...I cant get on board this outrage train. PDX dropped the ball big time but they're still miles ahead of the industry average scum behavior

I really wish I could disagree with this, but I cannot deny the overall trend of the industry lately.

 

[Mavkiel]

As someone who's bought Fallout 76, Destiny 2 and No Mans Sky ...I cant get on board this outrage train. PDX dropped the ball big time but they're still miles ahead of the industry average scum behavior

So, other than that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln? Ok fine, the expression doesn't fit with what your saying but it was my first thought. You picked out the worst examples in gaming, and give paradox credit for not being as bad as that... Is that really a crowd they want to be compared to?

 

[balmung60]

It's not really a recent trend. Many classic games, for example Gen 1 Pokémon, were so buggy it was a wonder they actually ran.

 

[Peko?]

As someone who's bought Fallout 76, Destiny 2 and No Mans Sky ...I cant get on board this outrage train. PDX dropped the ball big time but they're still miles ahead of the industry average scum behavior

Pretty much a tu quoque fallacy/whataboutism. Other things being shit doesn't excuse this thing being bad.

 

[Bearjuden]

EU4 is not 4X.

EU4 meets every criteria to be a 4x game. It is absolutely one.

Not the point of the thread, but...I just hate the denial this forum is in when it comes to this issue. EU4 meets every condition to be a 4x, ipso facto, it is one.

 

[Peko?]

EU4 meets every criteria to be a 4x game. It is absolutely one.

Not the point of the thread, but...I just hate the denial this forum is in when it comes to this issue. EU4 meets every condition to be a 4x, ipso facto, it is one.

Then so does every other game from PDS. The point of genres isn't to slavishly see what boxes a game fits in but rather to make it easier for the players to find games they're interested in (and of course it also makes marketing easier). Stellaris could potentially fit in the 4X category, the GSG category and the RTS category. But RTS doesn't encompass every Real-Time Strategy game, it's by now an established genre of games that are pretty much like StarCraft. By that same token every game that fits into the 4X genre isn't necessarily a 4X game. The 'dictionary' definitions aren't important, it's what we as gamers have come to associate each genre with that's important.

And that's my rant on genres.

 

[balmung60]

EU4 meets every criteria to be a 4x game. It is absolutely one.

Not the point of the thread, but...I just hate the denial this forum is in when it comes to this issue. EU4 meets every condition to be a 4x, ipso facto, it is one.

It strictly matches each of the X's, yes, but that alone is a necessary condition, but not a sufficient one for classifying a game as 4X. EU4 does not satisfy many genre conventions, such as random map generation, formal win conditions, especially ones beyond "be the blobbiest blob that ever blobbed", and equal, square one, starts.

If you started all nations as same tech group OPMs with equal development, a starting colonist, random placement, and equal chances of spawning institutions anywhere the conditions are met, then you could reasonably mod it into a 4X, but EU4 is not, in its vanilla configuration, a 4X game.

 

[Had a dad]

sigh... closed