So we have a Holy Roman Empire that is neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire, but we can't have the Golden Horde just keep its old name?
This need to be changed.
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This is what Horde country looks like by the EU4 start date (of course, Paradox is going to clean up the map a bit). The Horde's in terminal decline already from game start.
According to my sources (and yes, wiki is one of them) orda comes from ordu - khan's "capital", seat of power. Wiki states "organization". Thus, while GH gets more "civilized" the word Horde doesn't become inappropriate. Besides, Horde's armies and military organization have nothing to do with "your" (whoever you are) perception of orc hordes from Warcraft and zombie hordes from Walking Dead.
Verdict: this does NOT need to be changed.
Verdict: this does NOT need to be changed.
Ordu does indeed mean capital, but in a very specific sense...it means something more akin to "military camp." The modern language Urdu's name is a corruption of the word ordu, in fact (widely spoken as the lingua franca in Mughal India...the Mughal elite spoke and wrote in Farsi, but the soldiers spoke Urdu).
Horde is a fine word to describe them, yeah. I'm just concerned with giving the Qara Koynulu some way to form Safavid Persia or making sure the Timurids have a realistic shot at Mughal (which is going to be far more difficult than in EU3 given the Timurids' sad state of affairs). The northern hordes (GH successor states) are inherently screwed if the EU3 Horde Mechanic is back (please say it isn't): 1444 is about the height of power of Lithuania, and the GH successor states aren't all that strong. Lithuanian Siberia would become the norm.
Actually, I'm convinced now that it should remain the Golden Horde based nalivayko's post and some of my own background info, despite earlier agreeing that Khanate would make sense (and it still would, but I'm leaning the other way now). While, yes, the Horde (Ordu) was the big travelling seat of power (they put them on timber and drove them by oxen, these sort of semi-floating palaces travelling around on the steppes), if it weren't travelling then the 'horde' wouldn't have the same meaning in English. It would just be like the hundreds of other words that we've adopted in English to describe power structures (Estates General, Parliament, The Kremlin, The Forbidden Palace, etc.)
Because the focus of EU is supposed to be the Age of Exploration and the Reformation when both of those events are a full century (and hours of gameplay) away from the EU3 start date? To paraphrase Johan, 100 years into a game of EU3, the Reformation is just starting and the New World is just being discovered. 100 years into EU4, the wars of religion are raging and the colonization of the New World is on.
It's also a much better start date for the Ottomans because the Timurids mostly dissolved, and weaker-than-historical Ottomans is one of EU3's bigger drawbacks.
EDIT: And Portugal starts off with Madiera and Azores while Castille starts off with Canaries, giving colonization a nice jumpstart.
No one even mentioned anything like this. Why did you bring that up?
The Horde?But after the reformation ,don't will be a Horde anymore,No one understand this?
I only will buy when a expansion starting in 1399 is launched,sorry.
Except that sounds much worse and people are already used to the name Golden Horde.
"Sad state of affairs"? Looking at that map, it appears that in 1444 they've still got Persia, which is the richest part of their empire.
But don't is a horde after the Reformation,change to Golden Ordu,or to Golden Khaganate,or to Golden,or to anything,but NOT stay as golden horde!
What are you talking about? What reformation? Regardless, none of those names sound better. If you want country names to change depending on govt. type then you could focus on a lot of other things. Why isn't Venice named the "Most Serene Republic of Venice"? Surely that sounds a lot better. Why are OPM's like Ulm or Frankfurt still named after their starting province/city after it conquers more land? Surely that name doesn't still represent their current political structure.
After you get so much centralized,and have a good government tech,the Horde is Over,you can reform your nation in a Normal Kingdom.