{{Ah good a feast, Taurinus will need some booze to drink away his sorrows at.}}
Decius Pylaeus (Faction Speaker of the White Demes)
So this is what you wanted...after all those years. I've always wondered why I wasn't invited to such businesses of my friends among the white demes, especially when you declined that a new library could be built upon monastery grounds. I have done some research on the topic, though. Listen, I ... am not a resentful man. My contacts say that your family investment has yielded quite a few returns over the years. As far as the commitment of Houses Melissenos and Ouranos is concerned, they have invested relatively modest amounts compared to your house.
A joint business to the profit of all the long-time whites - it is something I can support. What's more, I'll probably invest quite a bit in it, if you do not mind. Probably half of what your house has given would be alright? I don't want to question your status as the head of the monastery, but since I've got the means, I'd like to show that I am serious about a commitment to the cause.
As for your other question...I'm not used to being called by my new titles yet. If we are among us whites, I'd like to call you friends and be honoured to be called one by all of you, as it always has been. If the situation is more officially demanding, I am sure that you know which one would be appropriate to use. Just remember that a title does not make a man, it is the man that should make up the true worth of the title.
{{The Melissenos have put no more than 10% of their assets in the project. Most is tied up in their own banking house and the rest is spread as wide as possible to reduce loses if one project fails.}}{{
Monastery of Divine Light investors
House Serapis from 1540 (Founder and Controller. Major investor (100%of House Serapis' productive assets))
Iskandar Ouranos from 1560 (?% of House Ouranos assets)
Lazaros II. Melissenos from 1560 (?% of House Melissenos assets)
Decius Pylaeus from 1566 (50%? of House Pylaeus assets)
I have only a very general idea ooc of what the Monasterys assets are actually worth and the exact share of all the partner Houses. I got Czokletmuss' permission to consider House Serapis the richest House in the Senate in 1560, but that's the only substantial fact I've got. Likely it will amount to little in the greater scheme of the aar, but it's a fun bit of extra role-playing.
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I don't really remember why I didn't extend the offer to Decius at the last faction meeting, perhaps we simply ran out of time.
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Senator Marius Serapis
Marius smiles, genuinely pleased with the answer. "I will gladly call you my friend, Decius, and happily accept any investment you wish to make. Our clercs can work out the details, I'm sure." His face turns serious, "Now, I would understand if you felt resentful for being excluded, but there was never any offense intended. I've always felt closely aligned with you politically and you have managed your office of Speaker admirably. Any uncertainty I may have felt was rooted in concerns I've now found unfounded. I consider your House a long term ally, and in these troubled times we need our allies to be as strong as possible."
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Monastery of Divine Light investors
House Serapis from 1540 (Founder and Controller. Major investor (100%of House Serapis' productive assets))
Iskandar Ouranos from 1560 (?% of House Ouranos assets)
Lazaros II. Melissenos from 1560 (?% of House Melissenos assets)
Decius Pylaeus from 1566 (50%? of House Pylaeus assets)
I have only a very general idea ooc of what the Monasterys assets are actually worth and the exact share of all the partner Houses. I got Czokletmuss' permission to consider House Serapis the richest House in the Senate in 1560, but that's the only substantial fact I've got. Likely it will amount to little in the greater scheme of the aar, but it's a fun bit of extra role-playing.
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I don't really remember why I didn't extend the offer to Decius at the last faction meeting, perhaps we simply ran out of time.
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{{ You are not a bishop - your character is merely a chorepiscopus:{{My reasoning was that as a member of the church, I, in that regard, transcended boundaries. Yes I am a Senator of the Imperium, but I am also a Chorbishop of the Holy Orthodox Church. Representing Pisa would be through my position as a Chorbishop, not as a Senator. Much like how in the middle ages vassalage was an issue, with lords such as the Duke of Toulouse being vassals of both France and Aragon in different areas of their realm. Its sort of like doublethink, but somehow it worked. Another good example is when the Plantagenets came to power in England, they reaffirmed the lordship of the King of France over his holdings in dejure France, even though they were of the same rank. My point is not that I am loyal to both Pisa and Rome, but that it is not unheard of for such seeming conflicting interests to exist and still work out. Say if we were at war with Pisa at the time, that would be a different story, but as it stands, does not the Church exist to serve all its faithful, including those suffering under the Pisan worship of Mammon? What more, am ability to give Pisa some representation can give a unique glimpse of Orthodoxy in Pisa not normally portrayed. That is of course, if the Serene Doge would allow a Romanoi and former resident to represent the Republic. }}}
You do not have the authority to represent any of the Pisan dioceses. Furthermore, even guests from other countries (Aragon, Poland etc.) do not have a right to vote - they only observe the Synodos. This is a council of the Church, not an ecumenical council (that is council in which all bishops may attend). This is because the subject of the council is an internal (so far) issue of the Imperium.Chorepiscopi are first mentioned by Eusebius as existing in the second century.[1] In the beginning, it seems the chorepiscopi exercised regular episcopal functions in their rural districts, but from the late third century they were subject to city or metropolitan bishops. The Synod of Ancyra (314) specifically forbade them to ordain deacons or priests. The Council of Sardica (343) decreed that no chorepiscopus should be consecrated where a priest would suffice,[1] and so the chorepiscopi in the Byzantine Church gradually disappeared.[2]
The first mentions of chorepiscopi in the Western church are from the 5th or 6th century, where they were found mainly in Germany (especially Bavaria) and the Frankish lands.[3] In the Western Church they were treated as an auxiliary bishop and operated like archdeacons or vicar general.[4] They gradually disappeared as an office by the 12th century in the West[4] and were replaced by archdeacons to administer subdivisions of a diocese.
Title is not hereditary but the exemption is. Although I see no reason why any good Roman would not want to{{
All demes speakers received a letter. I guess "tomorrow" IC will be once the faction meetings are over...
I've got a question for @CzokletMuss : The title of spatharios is not inheritable, I guess, just like the long title all of the whites received. What about that of stratelates, though? Is it inheritable? I'm asking because you said it does also exempt my heirs from military service.}}
Decius Pylaeus
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If we take a fifth of the initial investment as a basis, it would look like this:
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{{Another thing I'd like to ponder: Does House Serapis reinvest its gains straight back into the monastery? For the rest of us, this is more of a one time deal that brings in some spare cash, I imagine. At least for me it would be for the time being. But if the founding House reinvests its gains, your share would obviously rise. Decius would only invest half of your initial investment, so my share would go down along with that of Melissenos and Ouranos. But I'll need more numbers for that. @Serpent ? }}
Title is not hereditary but the exemption is. Although I see no reason why any good Roman would not want todiefight for his Emperor
{{Serapis have really put all our eggs in this basket, and reinvested almost all of our profits since 1540, so our share could be bigger. On the other hand Pylaeus is a very rich House and could very well have the ability to get a 27,78% share, and have wealth to spare, so I have no problem with that. If Melissenos 5.56% represent 10% of their total assets that's probably a bit high compared to Serapis 55.56% representing 100% of our assets, and we still don't know what Ouranos' have invested. On the other hand, we can never get an exact proportion on of shares without a mathematical simulation of our growth, and that's probably taking the matter too far .}}
{{ All senators who are members of a Faction may attend. }}{{"wishing for all Houses of the Imperial Senate to participate join me TOMORROW during the banquet."
Does that mean that all of us are invited?}}
{{ BTW if you guys have nothing to talk about apart from investments we can end the meeting IMHO }}
{{The Whites' controllers clearly have a much different approach to "fun" from the rest of us. Apparently pie charts, stock evaluations, and tax evasion are the plat du jour for the Whites. This may as well be a board meeting.}}
{{Why can't you be content with heresy and madness like the rest of us? You think you're better or something, punks?}}
{{ Back in my day, all the Whites had was religious fanaticism, uphill, both ways. AND WE LIKED IT THAY WAY}}
{{ No.{{What about unaffiliateds? Is there anything planned for them?}}
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We can just take it that the other Houses have reinvested just enough to keep their shares stable and that your shares are going to rise from now on, if you don't want to give me some numbers to play around with
If we don't want to, I'd just split it off like this:
Serapis: 65%
Ouranos: 7%
Melissenos: 3%
Pylaeus: 25%
What sounds more reasonable to you (considering what @McGrey said)?
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{{The Whites' controllers clearly have a much different approach to "fun" from the rest of us. Apparently pie charts, stock evaluations, and tax evasion are the plat du jour for the Whites. This may as well be a board meeting.}}
{{Why can't you be content with heresy and madness like the rest of us? You think you're better or something, punks?}}
{{ Back in my day, all the Whites had was religious fanaticism, uphill, both ways. AND WE LIKED IT THAY WAY}}
{{EDIT: It appears The Emprah agrees with the notion that the title of this AAR is "This is Madness" and not "This is Trade Negotiations" for a reason.}}
{{The Whites' controllers clearly have a much different approach to "fun" from the rest of us. Apparently pie charts, stock evaluations, and tax evasion are the plat du jour for the Whites. This may as well be a board meeting.}}
{{Why can't you be content with heresy and madness like the rest of us? You think you're better or something, punks?}}
{{ Back in my day, all the Whites had was religious fanaticism, uphill, both ways. AND WE LIKED IT THAY WAY}}
{{EDIT: It appears The Emprah agrees with the notion that the title of this AAR is "This is Madness" and not "This is Trade Negotiations" for a reason.
{{Aaarggh!!}}{{ All senators who are members of a Faction may attend. }}