This Is Immersion Breaking

[delpiero1234]

Human beings getting 92 years old in the 9th century is immersion breaking.

 

[nielsgjvk]

take more risks, to get killed faster.

 

[Caspoi]

It should theoretically speaking be possible, and it is highly unlikely as well so you don't have to worry about it too much.

 

[TheArrogantOne]

Are you saying human beings were unable to live for that long earlier? It surely wasn't common at all, but it could happen. If you want him to die earlier, just take the business focus and get stressed.

 

[Tur4]

Clearly the AI made a custom character and put everything into health.

j/k

Socrates lived to 71.

Plato lived to 80.

I'm sure some random guy we don't know of could have made it higher.

My grandmother refused to go to the doc until she was 80. Despite being checked out every year since she is 90 now and they still haven't found anything major wrong with her. She doesn't take any medicine to this day (refuses to). Modern medicine hasn't done much for her. She was fifty when she got her first cold according to her and no one can remember her ever being sick before then. Some people just have good genetics and I'm sure that was the case back then as well.

 

[Llyw olaf]

That picture reminds of one thing, why do character portraits lose their appropriate attire when they die?
It's a minor thing but I don't want my doge looking like a king, even in death.

 

[Hulkenberger]

Eleanor of Aquitaine made it to over 80 years old, although it must be said that no medieval king made it close to that age, I think I remember reading the oldest one was in their early 70s?

That's not to say no male ruler made it past that age, you can start as men in their 80s in 1066 for instance. 92 does seem a bit extreme though.

 

[zorkman]

Not in this time but many of the romans died of old age. Augustus was 75, & his wife Livia lived to 87 so it wasn't impossible for people with power & wealth to live longer. In fact the biggest obstacle of old age in those days was getting killed by rivals or enemies.

Also many of the Popes around this period were old. Celestine III was 92 when he died, though was 85 when appointed.

 

[durbal]

There were quite a few medieval or early renaissance rulers who lived into their mid-eighties. The rare event that a person (ruler or not) could live to be 92 isn't a big deal. I have 600+ hours in CK2 and I've never seen a ruler live that long in my multiple playthroughs of the medieval era, so take it as an extreme rarity that no doubt could happen.

Thought I'd drop this here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_FitzGerald,_Countess_of_Desmond

There's also a story about an Italian clergyman named Scolastica Olivieri who was supposedly a supercenternarian around 1450.

Since there are also quite a few rulers who died as octogenarians, the possibility of a non-ruler nonagenarian (or even an unattested ruler) is extremely likely.

 

[Morrowind3]

That picture reminds of one thing, why do character portraits lose their appropriate attire when they die?
It's a minor thing but I don't want my doge looking like a king, even in death.

"Such nobility very royal wow" ~Priest as he descends your doge into his grave.

 

[yonderTheGreat]

It's really only immersion-breaking if you have an unrealistic knowledge of health and history.

It's incredibly UNLIKELY, but far from impossible.

If you had a screenshot of 15 in a row living into their 90s, then sure... that'd be too much, but one dude living til he's 92? That's on you my friend.

Here's some examples to help you redefine your parameters for immersion:

-Bernard of Lippe ruled for 82 years (okay so he took over as a toddler in the 15th Century and had some help for a while)
-Pope Clement XII died at age 92 (17th Century)
-Harald Fairhair ruled Norway well into his 80s. In the 9th and 10th Century. Your guy would have been 50 when Harald was born.

There's plenty more. Point being, again, it's not completely ahistorical, and it's up to you if you want "very unlikely, but yet possible" to fall into "immersion breaking."

 

[Sdaeriji]

Enrico Dandolo, 42nd Doge of Venice, died at age 98.

 

[Le Corsaire]

lol, it's Enrico Dandolo~

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Dandolo

 

[LordDamien]

Human beings getting 92 years old in the 9th century is immersion breaking.

Ramses the Great Would like a word with you. He lived for 90 years and he ruled Ancient Egypt. i am pretty sure he would take offence to you saying that it is immersion Breaking that someone lives that long. Hell Even Pepi 2 Would like a word for you.

 

[McGrey]

I think the common misconception comes from the fact, that the average age in medieval europe is often stated to be in the thirties or low fourthies. Thing is, this is an average of the whole population and includes a high infant- and childhood mortality, that lowers the average considrably. If you reached aduldhood, you had a good chance to reach a reasonably high age. Even if 90+ was not common, it wasn't totaly unheard of.

 

[Simmy93]

People seem to think that you got a common cold and died back then. The things that killed people in their 40s, 50s was cancer and other diseases of which we have no knowledge. They weren't all ill, the human race is incredibly irritating in its constant strive to survive. Take into account you're playing as a Serene Doge (a majority of whom lived well into their twilight years), why? Wealth. There's a reason it rhymes with health and its no different today as it was then. The more money you have, the better care you'll get, the better quality of food, water etc you'll get.

This isn't immersion breaking, its an impressive feat.

 

[Evan05]

Since the Agricultural Revolution there has been a few people here or there throughout history who have lived ridiculously long.

If every character in CK2 was living to the ripe old age of 92, I would completely agree, but the fact is it's very rare for a character to make it to their 90's. Hell, most characters don't even make it to their 70's or 60's. Just as in real life it is very rare, but it has happened before.

 

[Damocles]

92? Pff. That's quite young and sprightly for a Venetian Doge.

 

[Ilion]

I think the common misconception comes from the fact, that the average age in medieval europe is often stated to be in the thirties or low fourthies. Thing is, this is an average of the whole population and includes a high infant- and childhood mortality, that lowers the average considrably. If you reached aduldhood, you had a good chance to reach a reasonably high age. Even if 90+ was not common, it wasn't totaly unheard of.

Exactly. If you survived childhood, it wasn't that difficult to live to be 60 or 70, or even older.

People didn't turn into crones and geezers when they hit 35 or 40.

 

[Rags17]

I think the common misconception comes from the fact, that the average age in medieval europe is often stated to be in the thirties or low fourthies. Thing is, this is an average of the whole population and includes a high infant- and childhood mortality, that lowers the average considrably. If you reached aduldhood, you had a good chance to reach a reasonably high age. Even if 90+ was not common, it wasn't totaly unheard of.

This.

I used to work as a technical manager for a life insurance company and I can assure you that it is not the maximum age that has been going up drastically over time but the average. On top of that, technically speaking the average life expectancy only tells you when, on average, 50% of the population would be dead. Thus if you took 100,000 babies and killed half of them by age 10 then the average life expectancy for that population would be said to be 10, even if the other half went on to live long, productive lives.

I read one report a few years back that looked at all the Plantagenets (not just the kings) and determined that up until the early 1300 the average LE of that family was only around 27 or so. This didn't stop Henry II from living to age 66 or his son Edward I living to age 68 so there you go.

There will always be outriders in any population, so if by luck, good genetics or whatever you live to age 92 then you should celebrate it, not condemn it.

Unless of course they were Possessed or receiving military advice from Jesus when they died, in which case I would be very worried !