This game needs Jews

[Shadowhope]

Any of them, really.

IMO, random commoners should have a 1% chance to be Jewish. Jews would suffer a -75 rep penalty with Christians in general, and -50 with Islam. That's in addition to the normal false religion penalties. This would allow for Jews to exist, but make it pretty much impossible for them to gain power.

This could open up things like:
-If you banish the Jews, no more loans for you.
-The Sicut Judaeis, a Papal bull protecting the Jews - and potential retribution from the Pope if you abuse the Jews.
-The possibility of using Jews as scapegoats in some events if you have a Jew at court.

But even without those event possibilities, it'd still be great to see Jews in the game.

I have to admit, some of this is because I want to win a Crusade for Jerusalem, give the land to Jewish courtiers, and then watch the fireworks.

 

[Munglik]

Paradox will never do that.
The media might take offence at things like this:

-The possibility of using Jews as scapegoats in some events if you have a Jew at court.

:sad:

 

[Kill3456]

Paradox is deathly afraid of anything that could possibly give them bad press and often censor most sensitive arguments regarding religion and race especially around Judaism.

 

[unmerged(457435)]

I vote NEIN

 

[Munglik]

It's the same company that doesn't use the Nazi flag in a game about WWII.

 

[Mixxer5]

Shamefully- Jews would fit greatly to medieval. Some mods have them actually.

 

[Munglik]

CK+ has Jews in the mod.

 

[Nuril]

Paradox will never do that.
The media might take offence at things like this:


:sad:

If they "take offense" to something like that then it's because they're idiots. Scapegoating means the thing being scapegoated isn't actually to blame. It'd be very different if it straight-out said "The Jews are poisoning the water-wells!" as opposed to "The peasants are in an uproar as they die like flies to the plague! (OPT-A) X, (OPT-B) Y, (OPT-C) Directing ire at the Jews would take the heat off of me... ---> *Some of the Jews at Court get caught up in it and die/get maimed*".

 

[Munglik]

If they "take offense" to something like that then it's because they're idiots. Scapegoating means the thing being scapegoated isn't actually to blame. It'd be very different if it straight-out said "The Jews are poisoning the water-wells!" as opposed to "The peasants are in an uproar as they die like flies to the plague! (OPT-A) X, (OPT-B) Y, (OPT-C) Directing ire at the Jews would take the heat off of me... ---> *Some of the Jews at Court get caught up in it and die/get maimed*".

It just isn't worth the possibility of negative press.

 

[Ols]

How about be just have a few Jewish courtiers that are tolerated everywhere and quite commonly have very good stats making them worthy of being council members? I don't think Jews were a majority anywhere at the time, but some hardcoded mechanism that keeps them around Europe being slightly helpful would give the game some more atmosphere.

 

[Darkgamma]

Just go to "The Price and the Thane"

 

[Dalewyn]

It's not like religious heresy, siring of bastards, intentional mutilation of prisoners, murdering kids, subjecting tens of thousands of soldiers to starvation, imprisoning innocent people just because I can, and exploding people with manure stuffed under floorboards isn't drama bait enough.

I for one welcome jewish presence in CK2.

 

[Tsungun]

Just go to "The Price and the Thane"

If you don't mind random CTD every year. But yeah CK2+ and TPTT have Jews in them. I doubt they'll ever appear in a Paradox game due to the fear of being labelled anti-Semites or any other crap by overly sensitive people.

 

[Ols]

They appear, they just always seem to have minor roles. They pretty much only seem to be numbers and statistics when they appear in Vic II.

 

[nyah]

It's one thing putting Jewish people into the game, and there is an argument for that. It's a totally different thing to suggest that there should be events or decisions which allow the player to engage in pogroms against them.

The possibility of using Jews as scapegoats in some events if you have a Jew at court

Like what, if you murder a baby you can blame it on the Jews? Jesus wept!

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

The developers have made it clear, that there will be no Jewish religion in the game and therefor also no Jewish characters. They have said so on the forum, but I am not going to search for that post, so you just have to believe me.

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