this game is too easy

[nevercalled]

Started as the Zoro Duke in 769, and this was 845, so 76 years. What you can't see is that he's in the middle of a decadence revolt, which is why I timed my bid for independence then. Here's what it looked like after the war finally ended (it didn't take 13 years, but this is just when I grabbed a screenshot):

I was actually spending time trying to gain more territory (Baghdad and Tigris) while inside the Empire, but the prospect of gaining independence *and* causing him to lose a decadence revolt was too tempting.



I had zero issues. He never got to legalism 3, and so wasn't able to get the religious revocation law. Planted my Chancellor in his capital (when he wasn't fabricating claims in Basra) to keep him happy, and was even on the council most of the time. The only thing he did was implement a Realm Peace the first time I went for Basra, but I waited out the 5 years and then took it easily. I had been going for another full-scale Zoro run, but then got bored and went on to do something else...

And you are wrong.
Emperor will start to revoke your titles when you are direct vassal and there is just a revoke law in empire. ( maybe u played an old version)
However before that time you should be able to imprison him or get enough money to defend yourself.
When u get marriages then you have non aggressive pact and you are safe.

How does conquering parts of an empire make it more stable? Sure their vassals will like them during an external war. However, if the emperor or caliph is regularly losing wars that leaves them depleted opening them up to faction revolts and increases their decadence (when Muslim) also reducing their ability to reduce decadence by landing family members.

sry didn`t notice your post.
You are right but the main key to destroy empire from outside it to kill levies not to conquer territory.
So when you do that you just hunt armies to deplete fast levies to 0 than sign white peace.

 

[Kumicho]

And you are wrong.
Emperor will start to revoke your titles when you are direct vassal and there is just a revoke law in empire. ( maybe u played an old version)
However before that time you should be able to imprison him or get enough money to defend yourself.
When u get marriages then you have non aggressive pact and you are safe.

No, I didn't have any of that happen to me. I'm not sure why you're claiming I'm "wrong", since I'm just letting you know what my experience was just last week. The Emperor got to the first level of Revoke Title immediately, and then didn't bother trying to revoke mine for the next 50+ years. And yes, this is the latest version, no mods.

 

[nevercalled]

How does conquering parts of an empire make it more stable? Sure their vassals will like them during an external war. However, if the emperor or caliph is regularly losing wars that leaves them depleted opening them up to faction revolts and increases their decadence (when Muslim) also reducing their ability to reduce decadence by landing family members.

weird. In all my games whenever u don`t have non aggression pact and he is not in prison ( or a child) he tries to do it whenever he can. Does the council support emperor? In same games emperor is so weak that he cannot get council support.

We don`t know how AI emperor is scripted so i can assume that there might be some trait not allowing him to do it. However normal behavior is that he tries to revoke your titles from begin when you are from Zoro group.

Do you have some screen of emperor character sheet?

 

[Dr Gonzo]

weird. In all my games whenever u don`t have non aggression pact and he is not in prison ( or a child) he tries to do it whenever he can. Does the council support emperor? In same games emperor is so weak that he cannot get council support.

We don`t know how AI emperor is scripted so i can assume that there might be some trait not allowing him to do it. However normal behavior is that he tries to revoke your titles from begin when you are from Zoro group.

Do you have some screen of emperor character sheet?

Actually nevercalled my experience is the same as Kumicho. I played a game as a Christian vassal after somebody upthread suggested it and I found the Caliph never got as far as getting religious revocation either.

And it still makes me lol that you're getting disagrees after posting screenies.

 

[nevercalled]

Actually nevercalled my experience is the same as Kumicho. I played a game as a Christian vassal after somebody upthread suggested it and I found the Caliph never got as far as getting religious revocation either.

And it still makes me lol that you're getting disagrees after posting screenies.

When i play under Bizantium or France Empire than they don`t try to revoke before religious mandate. However when i play as Zoro under Abyss then the emperor tries to revoke my titles as soon as he can. I will check the behavior against Zuni there and maybe christians.
Indeed before i started to play Zoro i was thinking that you have much more time but for me the mechanism was different. Even more when u end the war with the white peace emperor immidiately revoke my titles again. It never happened under regency. Just my observations.

I play with all DLC`s enabled.

BTW i think that favours shouldn`t work between some religions. I mean when i play infidel i shouldn`t be able to just invite somebody to the court from the hated religion with the usage of favour. Some special traits should be needed like greedy or sympathy for given religion.

 

[Dr Gonzo]

When i play under Bizantium or France Empire than they don`t try to revoke before religious mandate. However when i play as Zoro under Abyss then the emperor tries to revoke my titles as soon as he can. I will check the behavior against Zuni there.

So are you saying he revokes without a legal reason and incurs tyranny? I have seen the AI do this before, not frequently though.

I play with all DLC`s enabled.

Yeah, me too.

 

[nevercalled]

So are you saying he revokes without a legal reason and incurs tyranny? I have seen the AI do this before, not frequently though.

Yeah, me too.

Yea exactly that. And not the duchy but the county. I don`t remeber if he disliked me but most possibly he even hated me. I didn`t want to detronize him so i ended the war with the white peace. Than again he tried to revoke what i have accepted. After a week he wanted to revoke my second county. His son was not adault and after the regency i have just imprison him with the intrigue focuse.

Something to check when i will have a free time.

Edit:
I have done 2 tests and it seems that i was wrong. Something else triggers revocation.
It might be that caliph normally doesn`t try to revoke your titles as long as you don`t try to kill him or his family or something else. It happened to me 2 times and 2 times with the intrigue focus when i was killing everything everywhere and kidnapping.

So apologize the mechanic is the same. Revocation is triggered by something else

 

[Arsonik]

I see one problem with dynasty manager -> there should be an option to automatically arrange marriages for not close relatives. The game is boring when u have to each few years check all the dynasty. Too much micromanagement makes everything boring. Look at the other games. It is fun to set up everything but there must be after all at some level a way to automatize it. Partially you have something like that in CK in the shape of vice and in general kings/duchies split.

Now this is a suggestion I can reallllyy get behind. Just automate it similar to how merchant republics work. All of my most recently 'abandoned' games come from the sheer headache that results from the monotony in handling dynastic marriages and education.

So apologize the mechanic is the same. Revocation is triggered by something else

My guess? His spymaster is fabricating absurd claims of you plotting against the liege. This isn't the exact event text but I'm sure you know the event I am referring to... It fires all the time for me, giving you a reason for arrest if you wish it. I suppose the AI handles the options slightly differently. Again, this is just a guess.

Well that's that. Just read this entire thread from page one. There are some interesting opinions flying about and I'm curious to see how they develop further.