This feels bugged

[Spikee78]

Hi,

It seems I didn't get the screenshot at the time I wanted to, but that 17K stack in Biga crosses to Edirne and beats my stack ridiculously hard (we were equal at military power 3, but magically they got to 4 right behind the moment I DoW'd).

They beat me up so fast that Hungarian stack is always way too late (and get's beat up to).

I feel that shouldn't be possible, because:

1. Biga is blockaded from all sides
2. I also retried with a 12/12 blockade
3. They're walking passed an active fort

This feels wrong ...

 

[Vince75]

You can cross straits if you have control of two provinces.

They couldn't go if you hold Edirne for example.

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

1. You need to control at least one side of a strait to block it.
3. What fort? Constantinople can't block movement from Biga to Edirne as they are not trying to move within the fort's ZOC.

 

[Spikee78]

2. What fort? Constantinople can't block movement from Biga to Edirne as they are not trying to move within the fort's ZOC.

Aren't neighbouring provinces considered ZOC?

 

[Spikee78]

You can cross straits if you have control of two provinces.

They couldn't go if you hold Edirne for example.

That feels counter-intuitive as I'm blocking passage with my ships.

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

Aren't neighbouring provinces considered ZOC?

Yes, but Biga is not a neighboring province. Obviously you can move into a fort's ZOC as you wouldn't be able to siege it otherwise >_>

 

[Dominion]

You can't exert ZoC over provinces you don't control.

 

[netherlink]

That feels counter-intuitive as I'm blocking passage with my ships.

It is stated in the game rules that you cannot prevent street crossing if the one who tries controls both sides. It was way to easy to prevent Denmark, Ottos etc to move their armies to the battle. You could siege the capital of both of these nations, along with many other provinces, while they would have no chance to defend, as long as you have naval supremacy.

 

[CplKatie]

Um, no. The reason they are crossing easily is because the ships are in the wrong sea zone. you need 100% blockade strength to block a crossing. I'm currently playing as otto in my own game and I know for a fact thats what stops me from crossing sometimes when my fleets are off doing things. The XXXX path will go black when you have 100% blockade there. Your fort does nothing to provinces across the strait and it doesn't really have a ZOC cause its a single province fort/state for you. The Otto land will always be free movement for them.

Even if all those provinces were byzantium owned, they could still move to edirne because its a fort province. You can always move onto a fort province retardless of a ZOC. Its having the ships in the right sea zone that stops them.

The reason your forces are losing in combat badly is because for the first 150 years or so Otto's have space marines on horses. They also have an awesome general to start.

 

[netherlink]

"
To block a strait the following requirements must be met:

• The conquesting alliance or a neutral nation have to control (owns or occupied) at least one side of the adjacent provinces
• The conquesting alliance have to control the sea by a naval force (blockade efficiency doesn't matter)

However, if one nation controls both sides of the straight they can march over regardless of blockades." - https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Naval_warfare#Blocking_a_strait
*EDIT*
Want to add that blockades are only ignored if your armies Return Province is the one on the other side of the strait as stated here: https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Zone_of_control#Movement_rules

 

[Spikee78]

Cool, thanks guys!

 

[Sfan]

Yes, what you tried to do here might have been genuine, but it was a common exploit. You just went heavily over your naval force limit with galleys and you could win a war against the Ottomans as Byzantium with 3 infantry, by sieging all of Europe and waiting for war exhaustion, which was totally broken. Similarly you could get your independance as Sweden vs Denmark extremely easily by blocking the entire Danish army and invading Skane and Norway and waiting for the ticking warscore. That also gives depth to fort placement in crossings.