So, I did some testing with the focuses. Im not going to get into Bulgaria so this is about turkey and Greece.
This review has been edited as new information has been given, but this was a first look review anyway.
Greece is the best of the three trees. Early war goals, good economic focuses, a medium sized focus tree that won't be gone quickly like italy but wont take forever like the USA, Turkey or France. it's not heavily PP focused like Turkey is either. So Greece is the better one of the three. I haven't played too much of it, but the few games I did, I see the way to play and it works in your favor for early conquest, early byzantium before 1939 which gives you some help in preparing for war with the allies.
The biggest disappoint has been Turkey. I looked around and did the math, trying to figure out how long it will take for you actually get ready to go for the Ottomans. If you ignore the army reform and focus on going as quickly down the path as you can manage, it takes 1715 days to reach the focus: reclaim the fallen empire. That means it takes 4.7 years in order to get to this focus, meaning... well. Late 1940 which is: Yugoslavia gone, france gone. Greece gone. All of which, you have to go to war with.
So its late 1940 and Germany and Italy have now become super powerful in Africa and Europe with 100+ Civilians and Military factories while more than likely, you're stuck with barely 40 civilians.
You will -not- be able to compete. This game requires you to have early wars in order to actually get anywhere with these minor countries but you won't be able to. You're stuck until 1940/1 reforming your political tree while everyone else is having fun and dominating. Sorry, but its not going to be feasiable to fight the super Germany by yourself in order to get anywhere.
Most of these focuses should be 35 days. Not 70. It once again shows the weakness of these trees just like the current France tree, where you wont even get half way done with your entire tree by 45.
I am immesnely disappointed with what I see.
Edit: I played more and saw Feedback actually doing the Greece with Byzantium. Greece is by far the best of the three nations in terms of their focus tree. They have the shortest one imo in terms of length, they get to have an early war with Turkey, its much easier to get the byzantium achievment. Over all, its just better to play Greece out of the three.
Now, I could be wrong on Bulgaria as maybe im missing something with the Tsar, but so far, Bulgaria just looks bad.
Edit 2: Alright, so the beta came around and the tree looks much better. I'll have to give some playtesting though to make another review.
Edit 3: Alright, so I gave it a go and it actually went really well until later. The amount of time the focuses take down is helpful, but I think it's going to end up being pretty terrible in historical matches because world tension rises too quickly before you can get to the greece wargoal but unhistorical matches where Britain goes goofy is a good one. I ended up losing the game because I forgot about Italy having a port underneath me... oops. So I didn't get to defend my land like I wanted to. That being said, the tree is much much better now with only one issue thats avoidable. The one where you get a research slot in the bototm. You -have- to be in a faction but this is an issue alot of the time when it comes to the AI and such. If you're in a faction, declaring war, its likely that the enemy without a faction will join one dragging you into a world war. It would be nice if you remove this requirment of being in a faction for a research slot.
This review has been edited as new information has been given, but this was a first look review anyway.
Greece is the best of the three trees. Early war goals, good economic focuses, a medium sized focus tree that won't be gone quickly like italy but wont take forever like the USA, Turkey or France. it's not heavily PP focused like Turkey is either. So Greece is the better one of the three. I haven't played too much of it, but the few games I did, I see the way to play and it works in your favor for early conquest, early byzantium before 1939 which gives you some help in preparing for war with the allies.
The biggest disappoint has been Turkey. I looked around and did the math, trying to figure out how long it will take for you actually get ready to go for the Ottomans. If you ignore the army reform and focus on going as quickly down the path as you can manage, it takes 1715 days to reach the focus: reclaim the fallen empire. That means it takes 4.7 years in order to get to this focus, meaning... well. Late 1940 which is: Yugoslavia gone, france gone. Greece gone. All of which, you have to go to war with.
So its late 1940 and Germany and Italy have now become super powerful in Africa and Europe with 100+ Civilians and Military factories while more than likely, you're stuck with barely 40 civilians.
You will -not- be able to compete. This game requires you to have early wars in order to actually get anywhere with these minor countries but you won't be able to. You're stuck until 1940/1 reforming your political tree while everyone else is having fun and dominating. Sorry, but its not going to be feasiable to fight the super Germany by yourself in order to get anywhere.
Most of these focuses should be 35 days. Not 70. It once again shows the weakness of these trees just like the current France tree, where you wont even get half way done with your entire tree by 45.
I am immesnely disappointed with what I see.
Edit: I played more and saw Feedback actually doing the Greece with Byzantium. Greece is by far the best of the three nations in terms of their focus tree. They have the shortest one imo in terms of length, they get to have an early war with Turkey, its much easier to get the byzantium achievment. Over all, its just better to play Greece out of the three.
Now, I could be wrong on Bulgaria as maybe im missing something with the Tsar, but so far, Bulgaria just looks bad.
Edit 2: Alright, so the beta came around and the tree looks much better. I'll have to give some playtesting though to make another review.
Edit 3: Alright, so I gave it a go and it actually went really well until later. The amount of time the focuses take down is helpful, but I think it's going to end up being pretty terrible in historical matches because world tension rises too quickly before you can get to the greece wargoal but unhistorical matches where Britain goes goofy is a good one. I ended up losing the game because I forgot about Italy having a port underneath me... oops. So I didn't get to defend my land like I wanted to. That being said, the tree is much much better now with only one issue thats avoidable. The one where you get a research slot in the bototm. You -have- to be in a faction but this is an issue alot of the time when it comes to the AI and such. If you're in a faction, declaring war, its likely that the enemy without a faction will join one dragging you into a world war. It would be nice if you remove this requirment of being in a faction for a research slot.
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