This DLC has been disappointing.

[Emperor_Napoleon]

There is no need that you feel attacked in your right to criticize what you want to criticize.
Criticize whatever you want.

I just dropped my thoughts to that the same way you do.

As you say

„If you don't like that, maybe you shouldn't be engaging with people on a forum where contrary opinions are allowed.“


greetings

Your comment was attempting to delegitimize criticisms by essentially saying "well just because you're disappointed doesn't mean anything is actually wrong, you just expected something else", which isn't actually true. There are many objective problems with this DLC on both a pacing and technical level. The only expectations people had was that it'd be both fun and work properly. Some people feel that the DLC doesn't do either of these things.

 

[Zlovie]

I wouldn't say that the dlc is a disappointment, or that the ottoman tree is bad, but playing as the ottomans definitely has some issues (including bugs/bad design).

My ottoman game has been a bit more succesfull than most, it seems. After looking stuff up in the game files, and a few tries, i found out how to form the ottomans. I was lucky enough to have UK go decolonization and communist. I was able to take the greek and bulgarian focuses, and then defeat greece with bulgarian help. I got the French provinces in Syria through the focuses. Took out Cyprus, Iraq, Palestine, Jordan, Egypt and Saoudi Arabia afterwards. Now, it's 1943 and I'm kind of stuck. The main problem: MANPOWER. I should have about a million available manpower now, according to the tooltip, but I'm at 500k. I'm pretty sure I dind't lose halve a million men in my wars, so did I loose hundreds of thousands of men, dealing with the kurds?

I'm probably gonna end my game here, since I don't want to declare on the Axis. I won't be able to defend the Balkans, Caucasus, Cyrenaica and Ethiopia Fronts with just 2 24-division armies.

The main problems/issues:

-The Kurds being a huge manpower/PP drain (it seems way out of balance when compared to the 'formable nations', which just give cores if you control an area)
-Can't take the decisions to get cores on Syria (decision says I don't have all the french lands in syria, even though I got all of them through the focus)
-The decision to core Egypt doesn't core Alexandria
-The saadabad nations didn't join my alliance, even though the focus says they get invited. Got no feedback at all about this, didn't get a message to say they declined, either.
-The Saadabad nation didn't become my puppets after finishing the focus, even thought the focus said they would.
-The turks can't get to 5 research slots at all, if i'm correct, and the fourth research slot for the ottomans is only available if you're in an alliance with AH or Germany. Not being able to get a fifth research slot isn't really a problem, but Turkey is the only nation in the game that can't get it.

My own mistakes:
-Probably could have increased Manpower law, during the war against Greece, but I dind't do that
-There might be a better way to deal with the Kurds...

 

[oIMADMANIo]

Your comment was attempting to delegitimize criticisms by essentially saying "well just because you're disappointed doesn't mean anything is actually wrong, you just expected something else", which isn't actually true. There are many objective problems with this DLC on both a pacing and technical level. The only expectations people had was that it'd be both fun and work properly. Some people feel that the DLC doesn't do either of these things.

Well, I appreciate your enthusiasm to criticize my post and your ambition to argue with me about that.

I can just tell you my post wasnt wrote in the attempt to delegitimize criticism.
Thats what you read in that.

I wrote about disapointment.

Feel free to write me directly for further discussions.


greetings

 

[desphorin]

I have seen several comments saying how peace conference fuck them over. My advice is: dont join a faction. Members of the same faction can ask for lands they control at the same cost, but it will be much more costly to get lands from independent/other factions. That's the reason why sometime lands cost 500+ war score while normally its around 100. You will make the land you control very expensive to the AI, so in this way you can minimise their stealing of your land. Try to attack and control enemy lands by yourself before peace deal happens (added benefit of not having the AI to suck all your supply out).

If you need to get AI controlled land but it is very costly, shadow puppet the cheapest state and feed the puppet with all remaining land. The puppet can take those land at normal cost, not the very inflated one.

 

[Nawolith]

I must be in the minority, because I don't think minor countries should be able to rush all of their neighbours and become a superpower by 1939. Turkey should not be able to compete with Germany or the UK, period. Not only is it historically inaccurate, it is also terrible for game balance. DLC's shouldn't make minor countries super OP, you shouldn't buy DLC's with the expectation that they will magically give minors crazy good national spirits or something. DLC's should provide flavor, not a pay-to-win option.

If you're in single-player and you're struggling to defeat the Axis , then you need to learn to get good, or cheese the AI.

Agreed. I saw some complaints earlier that said that this DLC would lead to power creeping of the minors.... Remember the starting situation your country is in! It should take longer to get out of that.

EDIT: But i do agree that some focuses should be made under 70 days.

 

[Cpt.Cross]

Agreed. I saw some complaints earlier that said that this DLC would lead to power creeping of the minors.... Remember the starting situation your country is in! It should take longer to get out of that.

EDIT: But i do agree that some focuses should be made under 70 days.

Make all of them for Turkey 35 days.... seriously. theres 197 focuses for Turkey and you will only get about 62 done before the end date of 1948.

Its not OP. its just playable.

 

[painna]

The most obvious problem here is that peace treaties are so broken and frustrating that the game isn't worth playing if it involves going to war with any of the major powers.

 

[ThePHD]

Played Turkey and quit less than three years in. Probably won't bother again unless there is a change to shorten some of the focuses. Please consider this Paradox.

 

[Cobannos]

The main problems/issues:

-The Kurds being a huge manpower/PP drain (it seems way out of balance when compared to the 'formable nations', which just give cores if you control an area)
-Can't take the decisions to get cores on Syria (decision says I don't have all the french lands in syria, even though I got all of them through the focus)
-The decision to core Egypt doesn't core Alexandria
-The saadabad nations didn't join my alliance, even though the focus says they get invited. Got no feedback at all about this, didn't get a message to say they declined, either.
-The Saadabad nation didn't become my puppets after finishing the focus, even thought the focus said they would.
-The turks can't get to 5 research slots at all, if i'm correct, and the fourth research slot for the ottomans is only available if you're in an alliance with AH or Germany. Not being able to get a fifth research slot isn't really a problem, but Turkey is the only nation in the game that can't get it.

Yeah, I can confirm these issues. I had them myself in some of my 6 test runs, especially Saadabad issues.

Kurds are somewhat RNG heavy, sometimes I got lucky and didn't loose too much MP but then again I had to sometimes use the decisions for weekly MP excessively to even get some divisions together and keep my garrisons somewhat filled. Almost got overrun by Greece in 1939 in one test run when they had double my divison numbers.
It's really no comparison to Hungary, Romania or even Yugo where you can just waltz all over Europe without serious issues if you plan wisely.
It's just unbalanced from a gameplay standpoint especially compared to other minors IMHO. As I said, at least a few bits and pieces (maybe put foci for Arabia and Levante first instead of the Balkans) to get something resembling a power base would be neat.

 

[Nawolith]

Make all of them for Turkey 35 days.... seriously. theres 197 focuses for Turkey and you will only get about 62 done before the end date of 1948.

Its not OP. its just playable.

But the total count of focuses isn't the one you have to do! There are lots and lots of focuses you will never do, because you have to choose a path. But i do see where you come from. I had two Ottoman runs until now and i was pretty happy with them. But shaving off some time would be nice.

 

[Cpt.Cross]

But the total count of focuses isn't the one you have to do! There are lots and lots of focuses you will never do, because you have to choose a path. But i do see where you come from. I had two Ottoman runs until now and i was pretty happy with them. But shaving off some time would be nice.

True you dont have to do them all, but just getting to your first war goal as Turkey is 18 Focuses. which is 3 and almost half years. WW2 is about to begin. and thats just making a beeline for the quickest war goal which is Greece. Almost a third of all the focuses you will do.

This leaves no time for anything else.

 

[Nawolith]

True you dont have to do them all, but just getting to your first war goal as Turkey is 18 Focuses. which is 3 and almost half years. WW2 is about to begin. and thats just making a beeline for the quickest war goal which is Greece. Almost a third of all the focuses you will do.

This leaves no time for anything else.

Mh, i agree with other posts that it should take almost as long as that. It's the Ottoman Empire and even if you don't do that it's still Turkey and your in a miserable state at the beginning. Getting out of that should take time and effort.

 

[ThaHoward]

But that's GOOD. You should never be able to beat Germany as Turkey (unless you cheese/exploit), for the same reasons that you should never be able to beat Germany as Bhutan.

Things like forming Austria-Hungary or Brazilian Empire with Portugal allow you to become a major from a minor with just a click and then go for a WC...they are bad! If the new DLC doesn't add an option like that for Turkey, it just speaks of good balance.

Think about surviving a German onslaught as democratic Czechoslovakia. It's extremely difficult, almost impossible! Is that a bad game design? No, it's a good game design, because IRL it would've been nearly impossible for Czechoslovakia to survive as well.

Tbh. when Habsburgs are restored the Little Entente should get a chancr to.intervene. That was their entire purpose; to prevent Hungary from having a restoration. Either make them declare war (if ALL choose to) by event or make a tempoairly faction. France might also choose to support it directly or indirectly.

Once Austria is either annexed or invaded by Hungary, the Little Entente should either get another chance, or Italy (who denied Germany to annex Austria in 1935!) and Germany should be able to.intervene.

Perhaps with some Conference (like the one with Megalis Greece) can be launched where Austria-Hungary must make up major concessions. Germany controlling their Czech industry, Sudetenland being given to Germany, Austria-Hungary forfeiting their claims in Italy, Istria, Slovenia and Dalmatia.

 

[Casko]

Honestly, considering how the focus trees grow and grow and grow larger and larger, I'd wish that the various research bonus focus trees, such as "1x Research boost to Air Doctrine" or "1x research boost to mechanized" etc. were reduced in time to something akin to 35 days. Considering how minor boosts most of those are in the grand scheme of things considered the other bonuses you might get elsewhere.

And you could easily leave the more impactful boosts and bonuses to still be 70 days.

 

[hamze2011]

Also not to mention, in order to remove your army debuff you have to take 15 focuses, all of which are 70 days which equals to 3 years worth of focuses. Man this dlc really does suck.

Also to all of the people who say Turkey shouldn't be able to take on Germany because it is in contrast with "historical accuracy", Is bringing Napoleon VI to French throne historically accurate? Is Flipping Germany to democracy in 1937 and electing Konrad Adenauer historically accurate?

Ffs people it's just a video game . It's supposed to be mindless fun, not "historically accurate". If you want historical accuracy then you can go and play multiplayer RP games which don't allow any wars to happen before 1939.

All in all, Turkey and Greece were so goddamn fun with the generic focus tree, now they are 2 USA-like, Non-interventionist countries ; with the only difference being: You don't even have one-tenth of US manpower and IC.

 

[ThaHoward]

Also not to mention, in order to remove your army debuff you have to take 15 focuses, all of which are 70 days which equals to 3 years worth of focuses. Man this dlc really does suck.

Also to all of the people who say Turkey shouldn't be able to take on Germany because it is in contrast with "historical accuracy", Is bringing Napoleon VI to French throne historically accurate? Is Flipping Germany to democracy in 1937 and electing Konrad Adenauer historically accurate?

Ffs people it's just a video game . It's supposed to be mindless fun, not "historically accurate". If you want historical accuracy then you can go and play multiplayer RP games which don't allow any wars to happen before 1939.

All in all, Turkey and Greece were so goddamn fun with the generic focus tree, now they are 2 USA-like, Non-interventionist countries ; with the only difference being: You don't even have one-tenth of US manpower and IC.

The irony is that Germany is in a more difficult situation if they go Democratic or Monarchist. Civil war, less room for expansion, manpower, industry and biggee focus trees.

Essentially Germany waited from 1918 to 1933 before they became revanchist. Not until 1938 did they start to expand. And they failed.

Compared to Turkey only in 1937 could they rebuild and expand compared to Germany. Aand Germany havea much higher population and bigger industry. In addition Italy are also irrendistic so itis a race against time. Same for Greece, it is not magic button for them. Sooner or later Italy and Germany will want to expand in the region.

 

[TalyonUngol]

Also not to mention, in order to remove your army debuff you have to take 15 focuses, all of which are 70 days which equals to 3 years worth of focuses. Man this dlc really does suck.

Also to all of the people who say Turkey shouldn't be able to take on Germany because it is in contrast with "historical accuracy", Is bringing Napoleon VI to French throne historically accurate? Is Flipping Germany to democracy in 1937 and electing Konrad Adenauer historically accurate?

Ffs people it's just a video game . It's supposed to be mindless fun, not "historically accurate". If you want historical accuracy then you can go and play multiplayer RP games which don't allow any wars to happen before 1939.

All in all, Turkey and Greece were so goddamn fun with the generic focus tree, now they are 2 USA-like, Non-interventionist countries ; with the only difference being: You don't even have one-tenth of US manpower and IC.

Honestly, I just roll my eyes and ignoring the historical crowd. They pretty much want the game to turn into an Allies Win simulator where Germany loses every time at on May 8th 1945 and Japan on August 15th. No deviation from this path, just straight WW2 without any sort of replayability because it all ends the exact same way. They ignore any criticism of this and just continue bashing anyone who enjoys alt-history.

The irony is that Germany is in a more difficult situation if they go Democratic or Monarchist. Civil war, less room for expansion, manpower, industry and biggee focus trees.

Essentially Germany waited from 1918 to 1933 before they became revanchist. Not until 1938 did they start to expand. And they failed.

Compared to Turkey only in 1937 could they rebuild and expand compared to Germany. Aand Germany havea much higher population and bigger industry. In addition Italy are also irrendistic so itis a race against time. Same for Greece, it is not magic button for them. Sooner or later Italy and Germany will want to expand in the region.

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Germany.... is in a difficult spot... if going nonaligned...

Say -what- now? Germany going non aligned is onie of the most POWERFUL alt-history paths. Both Non-aligned paths are extremely powerful and you can become a world power easily by 1939. Its even easier when you do the Focus On The True Enemy....


and you say Germany is in a more difficult situation? It looks like you've not even tried the Turkey path nor the German path before you posted this.

 

[Aeroclub]

Tbh. when Habsburgs are restored the Little Entente should get a chancr to.intervene. That was their entire purpose; to prevent Hungary from having a restoration. Either make them declare war (if ALL choose to) by event or make a tempoairly faction. France might also choose to support it directly or indirectly.

Once Austria is either annexed or invaded by Hungary, the Little Entente should either get another chance, or Italy (who denied Germany to annex Austria in 1935!) and Germany should be able to.intervene.

Perhaps with some Conference (like the one with Megalis Greece) can be launched where Austria-Hungary must make up major concessions. Germany controlling their Czech industry, Sudetenland being given to Germany, Austria-Hungary forfeiting their claims in Italy, Istria, Slovenia and Dalmatia.

For sure that's one to solve it, but I only gave it as an example of the OP minors problem. Like when with Hungary you can just click and make it as powerful as Germany. And going back to the topic - the lack of ability to make Turkey as powerful as Germany by just clicking some foci is good, not bad.

 

[TalyonUngol]

For sure that's one to solve it, but I only gave it as an example of the OP minors problem. Like when with Hungary you can just click and make it as powerful as Germany. And going back to the topic - the lack of ability to make Turkey as powerful as Germany by just clicking some foci is good, not bad.

If you actually think that Hungary doing the AH focuses automatically makes him as powerful as Hungary, you have -not- played either country. Just because Hungary grabs the land of Austria and Czech, and parts of Romania, doesn't mean a -thing- against Germany who has WAY more manpower and factories than you do. You main strategy of Austria-Hungary is to flip facist and join Germany just to avoid having to give up the Sudentlands, because Hungary cannot compete with germany at that stage. There is no minor in the game in the current state of the game that 'clicks' a button to become 'uber germany'.

Portgual does not do it.
Netherlands does not do it.
Hungary does not do it.
Greece does not do it.

There is no minor nation that becomes Germany level power. EVERY minor despite their formable nation has to go uphill against Germany.

 

[hamze2011]

The irony is that Germany is in a more difficult situation if they go Democratic or Monarchist. Civil war, less room for expansion, manpower, industry and biggee focus trees.

Essentially Germany waited from 1918 to 1933 before they became revanchist. Not until 1938 did they start to expand. And they failed.

Compared to Turkey only in 1937 could they rebuild and expand compared to Germany. Aand Germany havea much higher population and bigger industry. In addition Italy are also irrendistic so itis a race against time. Same for Greece, it is not magic button for them. Sooner or later Italy and Germany will want to expand in the region.

By mentioning democratic Germany, I didn't mean that they are op, Quite the contrary they are weaker than Fascist Germany. But German Reich was quite stable in terms of political and economical situation in 1936, so a civil war in 1936 is quite dumb and in contrast with "Historical accuracy". But after all WHO CARES? It's just a video game it's not supposed to be realistic, It's supposed to be FUN.

What I want to say is that every single country, even minors, should be given a chance to expand their territory before WW2 breaks out, so they have a chance of survival against the Axis if they choose to join the Allies or vice versa.