This DLC has been disappointing.

[Vin55]

It is just the reality if the game and some countries start further away from the war. As Turkey except for Arabia and Irak/Iran all your neighbours will be part of the war or targets for expansion. Bulgaria and Greece are best eaten before 39 it makes your life 1000percent easier. This is a game and not a historic simulation. Fun should still be a focus especially if you do ahistoric stuff like rebuilding the ottoman empire. For all those who say unrealistic, the current president sees the ottoman empire also as something to achieve^^. By game start the empire was just dead so it was a realistic option for its re-creation. The same with Austria Hungary where many saw that there where better off with the empire in feudalism, than as single countries.

 

[Darrenb209]

I mean I had a civil war, but I thought that was just the resistance going up thing.

I really am confused. Im already going through the tree, and past the election day focus and event...

so now im concerned. I haven't had a civil war but that one nor was I given the option to select a demokratik party besides being forced into it by the game itself since it forces you to go democracy first. Yea, this turkey tree is a little too much lol

The part that really, really annoyed me about trying to go Ottoman is that I literally had to look it up in the file to see that you specifically need to get the Demokrats and to get them you need to specifically let the opposition do whatever they want during the building opposition part.

Not exactly intuitive.

The part that annoyed me about playing Greece is that Germany somehow invaded me through Bulgaria while Bulgaria was neutral but part of the Axis, expanding the borders of Bulgaria into Greece while preventing me from being able to fight back, which is a crippling bug that really shouldn't have gotten into launch.

Not tried Bulgaria yet, but so far this DLC has been fatally flawed, at least from my perspective.

 

[ThaHoward]

It is perhaps a representation of the goos old fallacy of "once our country is restored to its greatness everything will be fine".

Going from a Turkish Republic (established 14 years or so before!) to a Sultanate should be difficult. To reclaim the Ottoman Empire, from France, UK, countries who very much want to be free and an Italy that aim to expand should also be difficult.

To put it in perspective, both Italy and Germany tried to reclaim "lost" land, and they failed even with a much better position. You're essentially trying to do the same, only isolated and no industrial base and competing powers.

Yes it is difficult, and that's good. It would be worse if you could just hit a button early game and be a great power.

 

[Cobannos]

I agree with most of you. Ottoman Turkey just takes to damn long. I know you shouldn't be able to rush half of Europe before 1939 but the first possibilities for expansion and build up are the balkans which are already gone by the point you come to it. I tested this in several runs and configurations at the end of the day you either have to face mega Germany and its goons or the whole world maybe excluding the US and Soviets. And this is with a tattered army and basically no MP. It would have been nice to get at least 1-2 balkan minors under my belt or prepone expansion in the middle east so I can get at least some restoration decisions and coring done. Because battling mega axis and waiting for the ai to do things is boring and then it's almost over and you have achieved next to nothing. I tried it 6 times and always did a rage quit because the ai is dumb and annoying af (naval invasions *cough*) or it's just not fun. A bit of agency by choice is much needed.

Bulgaria was okay after a few trys to figure out a good strategy. I had Turkey, Romania and Italy against Germany and UK which was going okay and then suddenly Turkey and Italy made their own faction, retreated all their troops and everything went to sh***.

 

[him_15]

Still haven't checked out the new Turkey yet, so what actually prevent you from early conquer and expand?

 

[Darrenb209]

You don't get any war goals early on. Can't declare war without going through the focuses to get the wargoals.

 

[pdstanbridge]

I've bought it and installed it. Had a quick look, and started a brand new campaign as the UK

I love the longetivity of this game, but I will wait for a patch before trying the new focus trees.

 

[Hoi Neuling]

Nope, it´s not disappointing. It finishes the call for the Bospurus and the Balkan. Now it´s done and some of you are only grumble.

I think you should work with the Freelancers and the Devs to know what investigation, summarize and implementation for such Game Elemtns are from 0 on. Not with an already implemented Focus or whatever. And much more important you see what World Wide Laws are incl. the different Country Laws means for such an Work.

If the Freelancers and Devs make an Mistake the Game, DLC´s, Patches etc. get not allowed. THAT`S FACT WORLDWIDE!

I do that Investigation, summarize and implementation for an RPG and that´s not easy. Either you all shout your mouth or work with the Freelancers and the Devs (under their Order).

 

[Kazakk]

I actually have to agree with this. I haven't played Bulgaria yet, only Byzantium and Ottoman empire. The Byzantium path is enjoyable, but the Ottoman path... you just can't do anything. Indeed you are stuck doing nothing for so long that by the time you become the Ottoman empire, everyone around you is already in a faction or capitulated already.
The empire path of each focus trees is the most enjoyable one imo, you don't join a faction, it's you vs the world. But if you are stuck doing nothing for 5 years... there's nothing you can do. The generic focus tree at least allows you to go for wars in 1938, 2 wars before WW2 begins (or more if you justify on fascist countries like Spain after the CW).
I get it that the devs want to tell a story through the focus trees, but there should be a way to go for faster wars.

EDIT: Not saying it's impossible to win with the Ottomans, but it becomes a massive grind as you'll have to go for a world conquest (talking about the achievement here). And the grind really only starts in 1940

 

[Darrenb209]

Nope, it´s not disappointing. It finishes the call for the Bospurus and the Balkan. Now it´s done and some of you are only grumble.

I think you should work with the Freelancers and the Devs to know what investigation, summarize and implementation for such Game Elemtns are from 0 on. Not with an already implemented Focus or whatever. And much more important you see what World Wide Laws are incl. the different Country Laws means for such an Work.

If the Freelancers and Devs make an Mistake the Game, DLC´s, Patches etc. get not allowed. THAT`S FACT WORLDWIDE!

I do that Investigation, summarize and implementation for an RPG and that´s not easy. Either you all shout your mouth or work with the Freelancers and the Devs (under their Order).

Ah yes, and here comes the "that one fanboy" who tells you that you aren't allowed to criticise so shut the fuck up.

I hate to tell you this, but this is a forum, for discussion. We are currently discussing our thoughts on the DLC. We aren't mindless drones. We're allowed to have opinions on the experience we paid for without having to work on the game ourselves.

If the only people allowed to criticise something were the ones who made it, the world would be a much, much worse place.

 

[Aeroclub]

I guess I just don't know how to defeat an enemy with 300+ Diviions with only 48

But that's GOOD. You should never be able to beat Germany as Turkey (unless you cheese/exploit), for the same reasons that you should never be able to beat Germany as Bhutan.

Things like forming Austria-Hungary or Brazilian Empire with Portugal allow you to become a major from a minor with just a click and then go for a WC...they are bad! If the new DLC doesn't add an option like that for Turkey, it just speaks of good balance.

Think about surviving a German onslaught as democratic Czechoslovakia. It's extremely difficult, almost impossible! Is that a bad game design? No, it's a good game design, because IRL it would've been nearly impossible for Czechoslovakia to survive as well.

 

[Kazakk]

And now that I'm taking a better, quick look at the rest of the turkish focus tree, it's really bad. From German-Turkish friendship treaty to joining the Axis, you have to complete 6 focuses, that's 420 days, OVER A YEAR. And none of these focuses are interesting. Purchasing italian light tanks? Getting +7% to naval research and a new admiral, except you will barely have any dockyards? +7% land doctrine research speed and a new general? Each one of those is 70 days. I wouldn't do them even if they took only 7 days, maybe after all the rest of the focus tree was finished and I had nothing else to do.
And all of those paths are locked behind more years of focuses.
Turkish tree may be big, but it's filled with nothing.

But that's GOOD. You should never be able to beat Germany as Turkey (unless you cheese/exploit), for the same reasons that you should never be able to beat Germany as Bhutan.

Things like forming Austria-Hungary or Brazilian Empire with Portugal allow you to become a major from a minor with just a click and then go for a WC...they are bad! If the new DLC doesn't add an option like that for Turkey, it just speaks of good balance.

Think about surviving a German onslaught as democratic Czechoslovakia. It's extremely difficult, almost impossible! Is that a bad game design? No, it's a good game design, because IRL it would've been nearly impossible for Czechoslovakia to survive as well.

Better fill a bug report then, I've beaten Germany with minors multiple times. I guess we're not allowed to have fun with minors, right? Games aren't for having fun after all.

 

[Hoi Neuling]

I hate the Laws too, which have the seperate Countrys and have seen Games which aren´t allowed in Asia, Europe etc. And I´m playing Computer Games since 30 to 32 Years.

But I hate too the People, which are only grumbling and don´t understand why the Devs and Freelancers can´t give that all of us wanna see for such an Historical Game. That´s why I´m so angry to them, because I understand it, like in my last Post announced. In the RPG all have to accept the Law, esp. with Pictures, Data-Secure etc. If 1 of us breake that Law-Rules the RPG get closed.

Yes, you can Mod it, but the Devs and Freelancers are limited. That is what I mean and all of you have to understand.

The Devs and Freelancers wanna bring other things in like you and others wish, BUT IT ISN´T ALLOWED. Why do you think the Devs are making a Compromise in Focusses, the World Map etc.? They get limited with the Laws.

Therefore we have the Modders, which can do their best to make the Game more realistic in the soft Coded Ereas with Maps, Flaggs, Pictures etc. That´s why I´m playing Mods in every Version from Hearts of Iron 4! Exactly to give the Game the Maximum of realistic (Flags, Pictures etc.) from that Time which is possible.

You can either play an Mod which try to bring such Elements in, upgrade / rework existing Elements or play what the Devs and Freelancers can officially give us. We all have only the 2 Choises.

The UMC-Mod-Collection are a very good example for that, if you are an player which understand English. They rework some Focusess, but they get realy realy big and much more. There are Mods like 56 or so you can play too, which upgrades the existing Elements. But they are big and need a lot of time to get adjusted to the new version.

For 1.10 "Collie" it´s a light adjustment, but for 1.11 "Barbarossa" and his DLC will it like adjustment, because there will get in a lot of Changes, Refits, Reworks and so on.

 

[Captured Joe]

Hoi Neuling, you do not seem to understand this DLC is a paid product. These "Freelancers" do not make these focus trees and other features out of the kindness of their heart (like modders do), but because they are paid to do so.

People who bought this DLC with the money they've worked for are fully in the right to complain about any shortcomings they experience in this paid product/service.

 

[Aeroclub]

Better fill a bug report then, I've beaten Germany with minors multiple times. I guess we're not allowed to have fun with minors, right? Games aren't for having fun after all, eh?

So have I, but a historical game should reflect historical reality, right? And historical reality is such that it would've been nearly impossible for Turkey, Bhutan, Ethiopia or Czechoslovakia do defeat Germany. Do you agree with that?

I have done the latter and the extreme difficulty of that is precisely what made it fun. And inheriting Brazil as Portugal was the opposite of fun.

 

[Hoi Neuling]

I know what you mean Captured Joe.

First I was unhappy too with the new DLC, because I whished more too like better Ministers and such small things which they implement normaly. It´s sad that such small but nice Elements didn´t implemented like in TfV or DoD.

But I´m not Grumbling about that, because the big Bang will come in the next Year with 1.11 "Barbarossa" and the DLC for it with UdssR, the 3 East-Sea-Parts (Letavia etc.), Skandinavia, refits from the Economy and so on.

But for about 10 Bucks it´s fully ok with 3 missing Focusses, 2 repaired Focusses, new Pictures, 3D-Elements and such.

 

[oIMADMANIo]

This kind of threads always make me thing:

You are disappointed?

Well, you might have just expecations that dont fit in.

Everything on the world can be done better a thousand ways and will never be perfect though - you wanna have fun with that? So, learn to deal with it.

I know - noone want to hear that cause the own point of view is always the right one - it’s strange isnt it?
I guees the developer of the tree thought the same - „thatll be a good focus tree!“ xD


greetings & have fun

 

[Emperor_Napoleon]

This kind of threads always make me thing:

You are disappointed?

Well, you might have just expecations that dont fit in.

Everything on the world can be done better a thousand ways and will never be perfect though - you wanna have fun with that? So, learn to deal with it.

I know - noone want to hear that cause the own point of view is always the right one - it’s strange isnt it?
I guees the developer of the tree thought the same - „thatll be a good focus tree!“ xD


greetings & have fun

We're fully within our right to offer valid criticisms of a product we paid for with our own money. If you don't like that, maybe you shouldn't be engaging with people on a forum where contrary opinions - some of them negative - are allowed.

 

[oIMADMANIo]

We're fully within our right to offer valid criticisms of a product we paid for with our own money. If you don't like that, maybe you shouldn't be engaging with people on a forum where contrary opinions - some of them negative - are allowed.

There is no need that you feel attacked in your right to criticize what you want to criticize.
Criticize whatever you want.

I just dropped my thoughts to that the same way you do.

As you say

„If you don't like that, maybe you shouldn't be engaging with people on a forum where contrary opinions are allowed.“


greetings

 

[Vin55]

The funny thing is Turkey is by far the weakest now. Bulgaria and Greece have a far better expansion tree (earlier) and Bulgaria can Bakanise and get all of greece from Itlay with some clicks lol. Currently playing and it is so god damn easy I had one war against Jungoslawia and I am at peace with the allies in 1943 but control all of Greece except for easter Thrace.