This cannot possibly be WAD

[anomanderus]

I have something like ten provinces and a force limit of 30

Urbino has two provinces, one of which they just conquered in a war and Ancona with a force limit of somewhere less than 10

Urbino is now a "competing great power"

This makes absolutely no sense, because France considers me a "competing great power" too

Urbino, France and a 10 province Milan cannot possibly all be great powers, there must be a line drawn somewhere

Also diplo-vassalizing countries takes far too much effort, Urbino gets no tax income from the province it just conquered yet considers it's tax base to be comparable to my tax base and thus will no longer accept an offer of vassalization

Hence I'm going to have to conquer them again, instead of my dreams of creating many little vassals and slowly annexing them over time

 

[Caracai]

I've also seen "competing great power" in weird places like a 2PM Frankfurt.

I have never seen something like that before the patch so I guess it has something to do with it.

 

[blackchoas]

Yeah sounds like a silly bug although not a serious problem

also diplo vassalizing is already pretty easy one might argue its actually too easy ur basically getting free territory for pretty much no effect when you do it

 

[BaZERGer]

Did you check to make sure that was their actual force limit? The modifier for extra mercenaries adds extra force limit, that amount added will also get scaled by the max forcelimit modifier effects. If Urbino has Administrative, they can get the +50% merceneries, that gives them +6 force limits, if they then have full Quantity, that becomes +9, Offensive force limit and it's up to +10, add the administrative event Gloy of Mercenary Companies(+100% available mercenaries), and you'll be up to +30 force limit purely from the Mercenary Pool, even if only temporarily.

Even with only one province, if they have that combination, their total force limit would be 39. Not that it really matters much for the subject i suppose.

 

[A Swell Guy]

They increased the amount of score gained from wars, so minor nations conquering similarly sized nations provides a lot of score, which results in more fluctuations in great nations.

 

[BaZERGer]

Seems like there's a several month long delay from the point of actualy reaching great power status, till the relations penalty hits, at least 3 months, unless there's a special trick to make it update faster.

 

[IIWW]

Yeah sounds like a silly bug although not a serious problem

also diplo vassalizing is already pretty easy one might argue its actually too easy ur basically getting free territory for pretty much no effect when you do it

It's very far from being free. Diplopoints for annexion, used diploslot, diprep lost upon annexion. + It has quite high requirements.

 

[durvas]

Competing great power means they are getting score points, so they're top 10 in something. It is probably diplomatic as big allies counts towards that a lot.

 

[IIWW]

Competing great power means they are getting score points, so they're top 10 in something. It is probably diplomatic as big allies counts towards that a lot.

so basicly they don't like You cause they are Your allies. fun

Spoiler

yes, I know that the ally modifier is still bigger than it, nevertheless they get one negative modifier because they are Your allies.

 

[Novare]

Diplo annexing is not worth doing anymore as any province once annexed gets 75 percent local autonomy. Since LA goes down significantly slower than nationalism you are better off conquering.

 

[Koivin]

we got a complaint from the HR department, there wasn't enough diversity in the great powers! from now on every two province large empire is considered to be a great power