Thirst for Glory

[Dago]

Dago, what are you talking about, with the 2v2 that turned into a 1v3? I'm curious, refresh my memory. I don't doubt what you're saying, but I don't remember planning a 2v2 with you.

I did give you a warning, Dago. I told you that I thought we should let our deal go because things were getting too quiet. And then gauranteed Spain's independence right before you attacked them. It's not my fault you didn't interpret this as my willingness to fight you.

In that earlier war, yes you did risk a collapse. For a long time I was stabhitting you while you were at -3 stab, -99 ws. I'm sure there were rebels around, and there were some rebel controlled provs at times. If you were a little less lucky, your gov could've collapsed. You have your good fortune to thank that it didn't, and my impatience.

I don't mind fighting you every 5 years if you don't turn every war into a war to the death. But either way, past aside, I think you're better off not focusing all your attention on me. If you force me to do the same, you're going to regret it.

Why can't you rebuild your fleet? You're being lazy, Dago . Ships are inexpensive compared to how much money we have floating around now. You should be minting constantly for the rest of the game, and with your income that's more than enough to buy thousands of warships between now and then, with enough left over to fund many wars.

If you had showed a little more interest in helping vs Drake with your fleet, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of destroying it. But since you didn't, and since you have a higher naval support than me, equal income and since I've been your worst enemy for most of the game, I took your hesitancy to fight Drake as a clear sign you ultimately intended to use that fleet against me. Who else was there to use it against?

u forgot about wednaday game?we should dow ryo (that has 1 CRT above),and his ally JTU
i dowed him,but u didnt,and dowed me
or was just a misclick

u guaranteed spain?i missed that,but anyway dotn makes the point

u didnt foculize upon me for all the game?lol
u fought france but not much,and vs drake but mostly with naval forces
and i dont think u never fought russia and spain (in fot 1 time in beginning for rape spain of his last land in italy,after i did the job)

i surely wont say now for who was that fleet,and which were my goal

 

[Dago]

and then,i never dowed u while u were involved in others wars,at difference of u,my dear king john

 

[admiral drake]

Dago, what are you talking about, with the 2v2 that turned into a 1v3? I'm curious, refresh my memory. I don't doubt what you're saying, but I don't remember planning a 2v2 with you.

I did give you a warning, Dago. I told you that I thought we should let our deal go because things were getting too quiet. And then gauranteed Spain's independence right before you attacked them. It's not my fault you didn't interpret this as my willingness to fight you.

In that earlier war, yes you did risk a collapse. For a long time I was stabhitting you while you were at -3 stab, -99 ws. I'm sure there were rebels around, and there were some rebel controlled provs at times. If you were a little less lucky, your gov could've collapsed. You have your good fortune to thank that it didn't, and my impatience.

I don't mind fighting you every 5 years if you don't turn every war into a war to the death. But either way, past aside, I think you're better off not focusing all your attention on me. If you force me to do the same, you're going to regret it.

Why can't you rebuild your fleet? You're being lazy, Dago . Ships are inexpensive compared to how much money we have floating around now. You should be minting constantly for the rest of the game, and with your income that's more than enough to buy thousands of warships between now and then, with enough left over to fund many wars.

If you had showed a little more interest in helping vs Drake with your fleet, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of destroying it. But since you didn't, and since you have a higher naval support than me, equal income and since I've been your worst enemy for most of the game, I took your hesitancy to fight Drake as a clear sign you ultimately intended to use that fleet against me. Who else was there to use it against?

ever tought it might be to defend himself vs you and spain ? not to attack you

 

[Zeitgeist]

Make 1) Your WE is 10 or more. The only reason for stabhit rules is to prevent collapse. Nobody has a chance of collapsing after 2 years, and this stop blitzkrieg that are so, so easy to do with land(60) and a good leader or two.

This is a better idea, so how about a WE of at least 5? That should make every country eligible and mark a pretty fair delineating point of when a country is really war exhausted.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Culture upkeep will just have to wait until I have more time and motivation. I realized that to do this, I'll need to do a revamp of almost all the code for the calculation file, so I'm avoiding it for now. Same with the idea of killing off people and manpower proportional to losses. I did however change the MT and Power formulas -- you will now get diminishing returns for being at war for longer periods in both categories.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Power & Prestige Calculation
January 0, 1812 to January 11, 1841

Please note: This total may not be final. You may need to add/subtract points if you have done any of the following:

• Hosted and signed a peace treaty.
• Signed a peace treaty with the game host.
• Guaranteed someone's independence.
• Wrote an AAR
• Were DoTF and failed to honor commitments to your coreligionists.

France

Prestige Income
Previous : 65
Existing : 25
European Provinces : 36 * 1 = 36
Colonial Provinces: 37 * 0.25 = 9.25
CoTs : 3 * 2 = 6
Income Increase : -30.2686695156102% = -3
Income Share : (4286.926 / 53842.231) * 50 = 4
Peace resolutions: 0

Total Base Prestige : 142.25

Power Income
Previous : 18.8
Manpower : (35.157 / 1798.346) * 10 = 0
Navy : ( 775.52 / 43829.6212) * 10 = 0
DoWs given or received: 4 * 3 = 12
Years at war : 2.74 + log(7.7 + .1) = 4.79
Peace resolutions: 0

Total Base Power : 35.59

Military Tradition
Previous MT : 4.4775 * 0.5 = 2.24
Wars fought : 4 * 0.5 = 2
Years at war : 2.74 + log(7.7 + .1) = 4.79

Total Military Tradition : 9.03

Relevant Wars :
February 28 1825 : Austria declared war upon France.
April 3 1826 : Austria accepted peace with France on the following terms : Marche to Austria Ivoria to Austria Accra to Austria Zaria to Austria & Oye to Austria.
June 7 1832 : Germany declared war upon France.
December 22 1832 : France accepted peace with Germany on the following terms : France pays 1650$ in indemnities. Bern to Germany & Schwyz to Germany.
July 9 1835 : France declared war upon Austria.
October 9 1840 : Germany joined the war on the same side as Austria in their war against France.


Austria

Prestige Income
Previous : 4
Existing : 25
European Provinces : 36 * 1 = 36
Colonial Provinces: 10 * 0.25 = 2.5
CoTs : 4 * 2 = 8
Income Increase : -31.1970841004263% = -3
Income Share : (5090.081 / 53842.231) * 50 = 5
Peace resolutions: 5

Total Base Prestige : 77.5

Power Income
Previous : 1.35
Manpower : (62.023 / 1798.346) * 10 = 0
Navy : ( 8823.6 / 43829.6212) * 10 = 2
DoWs given or received: 5 * 3 = 15
Years at war : 2.74 + log(25.8 + .1) = 5.99
Peace resolutions: 6

Total Base Power : 30.34

Military Tradition
Previous MT : 10.3675 * 0.5 = 5.18
Wars fought : 5 * 0.5 = 2.5
Years at war : 2.74 + log(25.8 + .1) = 5.99

Total Military Tradition : 13.67

Relevant Wars :
June 23 1815 : Austria declared war upon Austria.
June 23 1815 : Austria declared war upon Austria.
March 8 1822 : Ottoman Empire accepted Austria's generous peace offer.
February 28 1825 : Austria declared war upon France.
April 3 1826 : Austria accepted peace with France on the following terms : Marche to Austria Ivoria to Austria Accra to Austria Zaria to Austria & Oye to Austria.
March 30 1828 : Ottoman Empire declared war upon Austria.
July 9 1835 : France declared war upon Austria.


England

Prestige Income
Previous : 38.75
Existing : 25
European Provinces : 43 * 1 = 43
Colonial Provinces: 82 * 0.25 = 20.5
CoTs : 10 * 2 = 20
Income Increase : 32.2047040159757% = 3
Income Share : (13041.961 / 53842.231) * 50 = 12
Peace resolutions: 5

Total Base Prestige : 162.25

Power Income
Previous : 1.3
Manpower : (219.422 / 1798.346) * 10 = 1
Navy : ( 19674.4212 / 43829.6212) * 10 = 4
DoWs given or received: 2 * 3 = 6
Years at war : 2.74 + log(1.7 + .1) = 3.33
Peace resolutions: 1

Total Base Power : 16.63

Military Tradition
Previous MT : 8.52 * 0.5 = 4.26
Wars fought : 2 * 0.5 = 1
Years at war : 2.74 + log(1.7 + .1) = 3.33

Total Military Tradition : 8.59

Relevant Wars :
May 21 1824 : England joined the war on the same side as Russia in their war against Germany.
January 5 1825 : England accepted peace with Germany on the following terms : Germany pays 0$ in indeminities.
August 1 1840 : England declared war upon Germany.


Spain

Prestige Income
Previous : 142.5
Existing : 25
European Provinces : 21 * 1 = 21
Colonial Provinces: 98 * 0.25 = 24.5
CoTs : 5 * 2 = 10
Income Increase : 52.4597983555827% = 5
Income Share : (8920.714 / 53842.231) * 50 = 8
Peace resolutions: 0

Total Base Prestige : 236

Power Income
Previous : 52.15
Manpower : (171.493 / 1798.346) * 10 = 1
Navy : ( 9382.6 / 43829.6212) * 10 = 2
DoWs given or received: 0 * 3 = 0
Years at war : 2.74 + log(0 + .1) = 0.44
Peace resolutions: 0

Total Base Power : 55.59

Military Tradition
Previous MT : 6.7725 * 0.5 = 3.39
Wars fought : 0 * 0.5 = 0
Years at war : 2.74 + log(0 + .1) = 0.44

Total Military Tradition : 3.83

Relevant Wars :


Germany

Prestige Income
Previous : 1.7
Existing : 25
European Provinces : 40 * 1 = 40
Colonial Provinces: 0 * 0.25 = 0
CoTs : 1 * 2 = 2
Income Increase : -2.39710969241889% = 0
Income Share : (6206.478 / 53842.231) * 50 = 6
Peace resolutions: 5

Total Base Prestige : 74.7

Power Income
Previous : 3.7
Manpower : (499.433 / 1798.346) * 10 = 3
Navy : ( 808.4 / 43829.6212) * 10 = 0
DoWs given or received: 6 * 3 = 18
Years at war : 2.74 + log(2.2 + .1) = 3.57
Peace resolutions: 3

Total Base Power : 31.27

Military Tradition
Previous MT : 6.4575 * 0.5 = 3.23
Wars fought : 6 * 0.5 = 3
Years at war : 2.74 + log(2.2 + .1) = 3.57

Total Military Tradition : 9.8

Relevant Wars :
May 17 1824 : Russia declared war upon Germany.
May 21 1824 : England joined the war on the same side as Russia in their war against Germany.
January 5 1825 : Russia accepted peace with Germany on the following terms : Estland to Russia & Livland to Russia.
January 5 1825 : England accepted peace with Germany on the following terms : Germany pays 0$ in indeminities.
June 7 1832 : Germany declared war upon France.
December 22 1832 : France accepted peace with Germany on the following terms : France pays 1650$ in indemnities. Bern to Germany & Schwyz to Germany.
August 1 1840 : England declared war upon Germany.
October 9 1840 : Germany joined the war on the same side as Austria in their war against Ottoman Empire.
October 9 1840 : Germany joined the war on the same side as Austria in their war against France.


Russia

Prestige Income
Previous : 0.25
Existing : 25
European Provinces : 58 * 1 = 58
Colonial Provinces: 107 * 0.25 = 26.75
CoTs : 2 * 2 = 4
Income Increase : 44.714799060335% = 4
Income Share : (10467.534 / 53842.231) * 50 = 10
Peace resolutions: 5
Sole leader in Trade : 1

Total Base Prestige : 129

Power Income
Previous : 14.7
Manpower : (631.260 / 1798.346) * 10 = 4
Navy : ( 4108.8 / 43829.6212) * 10 = 1
DoWs given or received: 1 * 3 = 3
Years at war : 2.74 + log(0.7 + .1) = 2.52
Peace resolutions: 2

Total Base Power : 27.22

Military Tradition
Previous MT : 2.03 * 0.5 = 1.01
Wars fought : 1 * 0.5 = 0.5
Years at war : 2.74 + log(0.7 + .1) = 2.52

Total Military Tradition : 4.03

Relevant Wars :
May 17 1824 : Russia declared war upon Germany.
January 5 1825 : Russia accepted peace with Germany on the following terms : Estland to Russia & Livland to Russia.


Ottoman Empire

Prestige Income
Previous : 9.25
Existing : 25
European Provinces : 32 * 1 = 32
Colonial Provinces: 86 * 0.25 = 21.5
CoTs : 4 * 2 = 8
Income Increase : -15.2534898372444% = -1
Income Share : (5828.537 / 53842.231) * 50 = 5
Peace resolutions: 0

Total Base Prestige : 99.75

Power Income
Previous : 0.5
Manpower : (179.558 / 1798.346) * 10 = 1
Navy : ( 128.14 / 43829.6212) * 10 = 0
DoWs given or received: 2 * 3 = 6
Years at war : 2.74 + log(23.2 + .1) = 5.89
Peace resolutions: 0

Total Base Power : 13.39

Military Tradition
Previous MT : 5.525 * 0.5 = 2.76
Wars fought : 2 * 0.5 = 1
Years at war : 2.74 + log(23.2 + .1) = 5.89

Total Military Tradition : 9.65

Relevant Wars :
March 8 1822 : Ottoman Empire accepted Austria's generous peace offer.
March 30 1828 : Ottoman Empire declared war upon Austria.
October 9 1840 : Germany joined the war on the same side as Austria in their war against Ottoman Empire.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Rules have been updated to include forced peace rules.

I also have added a new command, moneytransfer, based on an excellent suggestion by Dago. As you can guess, you may transfer money this way.... usage is moneytransfer <amount> <tag>

 

[Zeitgeist]

Due to the unfortunate laziness of our AAR writers, which probably stems in part from the fact that the AAR bonuses aren't as good relatively as they used to be, I'm hereby raising the power reward to 5 and the prestige reward to 15 for writing an AAR. Hopefully this will provide an adequate incentive to the laggards.

 

[admiral drake]

Originally Posted by admiral drake
tag = ENG
prestige = 162.25
power = 27.21

culture scandinavian
conversion 254
conversion 251
conversion 253
conversion 252
conversion 255
conversion 256
conversion 257
conversion 308
conversion 1466
conversion 1469
core 254
core 253
core 252
core 251
barrack 307
manpower 247 2
manpower 248 2
manpower 249 2
provincetransfer 258 RUS
provincetransfer 260 RUS
provincetransfer 381 RUS
provincetransfer 341 RUS
provincetransfer 342 RUS

 

[King John]

Drake and I talked about requiring warscore in Europe to stabhit a force peace, and being at war with the country for five years, along with -3 stab and -99 ws. That sound ok? I like the 5 WE idea too.

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

Hal Is Back

I AM BACK! HELLO!

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

And this is allegory of my Power and prestige

Twin towers in Bologna​

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

Due to the unfortunate laziness of our AAR writers, which probably stems in part from the fact that the AAR bonuses aren't as good relatively as they used to be, I'm hereby raising the power reward to 5 and the prestige reward to 15 for writing an AAR. Hopefully this will provide an adequate incentive to the laggards.

Hyyyyyy! Can I write AARs for sessions on which I was upsent?

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

Hmmm, it seems my Spain was at wars with my friends - England and Ottomans... Not nice Dago and Drake, not nice, ts ts ts. I need to see the save.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Hyyyyyy! Can I write AARs for sessions on which I was upsent?

Of course not. This only applies to AARs written for the next session. If you want to write an AAR for what happened last week, feel free to contact your sub, or even make up some history of Spain from the log.

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

Of course not. This only applies to AARs written for the next session. If you want to write an AAR for what happened last week, feel free to contact your sub, or even make up some history of Spain from the log.

I think there will be only one more session (we are playing till 1870, right?), so no sense to write AAR after end of game.

 

[Frank XIV]

Hmmm, it seems my Spain was at wars with my friends - England and Ottomans... Not nice Dago and Drake, not nice, ts ts ts. I need to see the save.

Also France vassalized Spain under my short reign.

 

[admiral drake]

Hmmm, it seems my Spain was at wars with my friends - England and Ottomans... Not nice Dago and Drake, not nice, ts ts ts. I need to see the save.

some fun wars they where to
england vs spain
england vs spain
spain-austria vs england :wacko:
england-sweden vs spain
and few more

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

Also France vassalized Spain under my short reign.

Bah! :wacko:

 

[HALNY (HAL)]

some fun wars they where to
england vs spain
england vs spain
spain-austria vs england :wacko:
england-sweden vs spain
and few more

I am disapointed Drake, we were friends for 300 years and you put me knife in my backs...