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To answer questions about the portion of the bill he wrote and to assess the measures needed to counter EUtopia's terrorists, I hereby invite MDIA Hartwell.
[OOC: Just for future reference, invitations to speak in Parliament should be extended by the Speaker (or Deputy Speaker) - preferably by pm to make sure the invitee is aware of the invitation. 
And since we're on questions of procedure: if an MP resigns in the future, they should do so by (a) announcing it in Parliament and, additionally, (b) notifying the Speaker (or Deputy Speaker) by pm. The Speaker/Deputy should then update the MP-list accordingly (in keeping with parties' parliamentary lists, to be found at the CRO-office).]
And since we're on questions of procedure: if an MP resigns in the future, they should do so by (a) announcing it in Parliament and, additionally, (b) notifying the Speaker (or Deputy Speaker) by pm. The Speaker/Deputy should then update the MP-list accordingly (in keeping with parties' parliamentary lists, to be found at the CRO-office).
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I'm constantly considering several aspects of anti-terrorism legislation and I think I'm getting close to completing the inventory of what's neccesary.
I want to start on a definition of terrorism. Since this can be a stand-alone kind of legislation I urge membes of parliament to take this one step at a time and iron out what terrorism is, then get that definition passed by parliament. Later legislation can then always refer to this definition.
My idea to prevent abuse of privileges of the secret service, in this case the intelligence gathering privileges, is to split intelligence gathering into passive and active gathering. Passive intelligence gathering is the sort of gathering every institution can be targeted by. It involves simply stating the facts, what kind of institution is this, how big or influential is it, ect. When Central processing (the decision-maker within the secret service) deems further action neccesary they can opt for active intelligence gathering, which involves the more controversial (and efficient!) means of gathering, This way, at least there is a distiction between the more controversial means of intelligence gathering, and simply aquiring (public?) information to make a raport.
(OOC: My Windows seems to hold on for a little bit longer, pray it remains to do so..../OOC)
I want to start on a definition of terrorism. Since this can be a stand-alone kind of legislation I urge membes of parliament to take this one step at a time and iron out what terrorism is, then get that definition passed by parliament. Later legislation can then always refer to this definition.
My idea to prevent abuse of privileges of the secret service, in this case the intelligence gathering privileges, is to split intelligence gathering into passive and active gathering. Passive intelligence gathering is the sort of gathering every institution can be targeted by. It involves simply stating the facts, what kind of institution is this, how big or influential is it, ect. When Central processing (the decision-maker within the secret service) deems further action neccesary they can opt for active intelligence gathering, which involves the more controversial (and efficient!) means of gathering, This way, at least there is a distiction between the more controversial means of intelligence gathering, and simply aquiring (public?) information to make a raport.
(OOC: My Windows seems to hold on for a little bit longer, pray it remains to do so..../OOC)
As long as it is a clear line what is passive and what is active Im okey with that.
The deputy speaker grants permision to the MDIA to speak in parliament about the anti-terrorist bill.
(OOC: just to clarify)
(OOC: just to clarify)
Mr speaker,
CRE have a proposal for a new bill. I will show you it now so we can start a debate about it.
-----University bill-----
A new university should be built at Nueva Rioja. The University will be built in steps, with place for two thousand more pupils/year. It shouldn’t cost anything to be educated at the University. The University building should be financed by the government After some years the most expenses will be covered by money from the reasearch.
The costs will also be covered by the fact that the numbers of unemployed people will decrease.
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Constructed by Centre Royal Party =CRE=
CRE have a proposal for a new bill. I will show you it now so we can start a debate about it.
-----University bill-----
A new university should be built at Nueva Rioja. The University will be built in steps, with place for two thousand more pupils/year. It shouldn’t cost anything to be educated at the University. The University building should be financed by the government After some years the most expenses will be covered by money from the reasearch.
The costs will also be covered by the fact that the numbers of unemployed people will decrease.
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Constructed by Centre Royal Party =CRE=
Why Nueva Rioja? Is there any reason it should be built there as opposed to somewhere else?
Why do you want to build one more university? I don't understand the need for one more.
Is there overcrowding in existing universities? Is there something special about the university you are proposing that would make it different from other universities that already serve Eutopians?
If you can show why we really need this, I might support it, but unless you have some kind of proof that it is needed, I'd agree with Jools.
Jack Teano
Moderate Party
Why do you want to build one more university? I don't understand the need for one more.
Is there overcrowding in existing universities? Is there something special about the university you are proposing that would make it different from other universities that already serve Eutopians?
If you can show why we really need this, I might support it, but unless you have some kind of proof that it is needed, I'd agree with Jools.
Jack Teano
Moderate Party
I'm here at the invitation of Mr. Lundgren. Are there any specific questions you wish to ask me.
OOC I 've clean forgot what I wrote for the bill
OOC I 've clean forgot what I wrote for the bill
Article I
Creation of Counter-Revolutionary Operations Group
(Consisting of 4 officers [OOC: human players] and 20-30 soldiers)
1. Adequate funding for sophisticated intelligence gathering equipment and high tech arms as used by most counter terrorism units.
2. CROG to be charged with finding and bringing to justice members of the revolution and other terrorists in Eutopia.
3. Wide powers including; right to plant bugs on persons, to tap phones, to run surveillance on suspicious persons, to arrest persons suspected of terrorist activities or suspected of being involved in the planning of such activities or being involved with persons involved in terrorist activities. The power to arrest and hold persons without laying charges for up to 24 hours.
4. To be independent of other military units and would liaise with police forces, be under overall command of the President and responsible to the parliament.
[OOC: All actions from point 3 to be approved by GM in every case before being implemented.]
I think thats my part. So any questions?
Creation of Counter-Revolutionary Operations Group
(Consisting of 4 officers [OOC: human players] and 20-30 soldiers)
1. Adequate funding for sophisticated intelligence gathering equipment and high tech arms as used by most counter terrorism units.
2. CROG to be charged with finding and bringing to justice members of the revolution and other terrorists in Eutopia.
3. Wide powers including; right to plant bugs on persons, to tap phones, to run surveillance on suspicious persons, to arrest persons suspected of terrorist activities or suspected of being involved in the planning of such activities or being involved with persons involved in terrorist activities. The power to arrest and hold persons without laying charges for up to 24 hours.
4. To be independent of other military units and would liaise with police forces, be under overall command of the President and responsible to the parliament.
[OOC: All actions from point 3 to be approved by GM in every case before being implemented.]
I think thats my part. So any questions?
I think there is a loss of University which educate in other languages then English. Yes its a owercrovd of students on other University, however maybe not so big, but it is there. Although its a lack of Universities speaking French or Spanish. Today many Spanish and French speking pupils have to go on English speaking Universities wich will lead to lover marks for the students, because they don't understand what the teacher says, as their english speakings comrades.
Why In Nueva rioja?
1. There are no university in that area.
2. There is a owerall lack on Universities.
3. There is a lack of Spanish/French speaking universities.
I have done some formulation changes in the bill so it clarify it should be a University for non-english languages.
-----University bill-----
A new university should be built at Nueva Rioja. The University will be built in steps, with place for two thousand more pupils/year. The University should teach in both Spanish and French, and after some years maybe in more languages, offcourse educations in English also will exist at the University.
It shouldn’t cost anything to be educated at the University. The University building should be financed by the government After some years the most expenses will be covered by money from the reasearch.
The costs will also be covered by the fact that the numbers of unemployed people will decrease.
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Why In Nueva rioja?
1. There are no university in that area.
2. There is a owerall lack on Universities.
3. There is a lack of Spanish/French speaking universities.
I have done some formulation changes in the bill so it clarify it should be a University for non-english languages.
-----University bill-----
A new university should be built at Nueva Rioja. The University will be built in steps, with place for two thousand more pupils/year. The University should teach in both Spanish and French, and after some years maybe in more languages, offcourse educations in English also will exist at the University.
It shouldn’t cost anything to be educated at the University. The University building should be financed by the government After some years the most expenses will be covered by money from the reasearch.
The costs will also be covered by the fact that the numbers of unemployed people will decrease.
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I thank Mr. Baner for his clarifications and his amendments to his bill. Now at least some reason is given for the proposed expansion.
I regret to say, however, that he is wrong.
There is no overcrowding in our universities. If anything, we may have built a higher educational system too large for us to reasonably support.
Public universities are good, but if you have more than are needed the benefits do not continue to grow.
I'd like to quote from a recent edition of The Education Reformer, our island's preeminent journal on educational issues. It reads:
While Mr. Baner's intentions seem well-motivated, the experts in this area refute that another university is needed, and provide evidence for the claims of Mr. Jools.
Perhaps in the future we should consider a consolidation program, which could combine some of these independent schools into multi-campus entities, thereby saving on administratoin expenses, and once the total number of schools are reduced new one's could be opened in targeted areas? Maybe this is something for the MHSA to consider?
Based on the facts before us, I would urge my colleagues to vote "no" on this proposal.
Jack Teano
Moderate Party
I regret to say, however, that he is wrong.
There is no overcrowding in our universities. If anything, we may have built a higher educational system too large for us to reasonably support.
Public universities are good, but if you have more than are needed the benefits do not continue to grow.
I'd like to quote from a recent edition of The Education Reformer, our island's preeminent journal on educational issues. It reads:
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It (the new university)does not make sense because the existing 21 universities and 31 colleges (including those that are privately funded) are far too many for a country of Eutopia’s size to support as it is. To add yet another taxpayer supported university to this burden simply does not make sense based on the demand of Eutopian students. The assertion with-in this bill that the university could be largely self-sustaining seems implausible.
Frankly if any action should be taken concerning Eutopian higher education it would be to shut down some of the duplicate and unneeded schools. This would serve the country of Eutopia far better.
While Mr. Baner's intentions seem well-motivated, the experts in this area refute that another university is needed, and provide evidence for the claims of Mr. Jools.
Perhaps in the future we should consider a consolidation program, which could combine some of these independent schools into multi-campus entities, thereby saving on administratoin expenses, and once the total number of schools are reduced new one's could be opened in targeted areas? Maybe this is something for the MHSA to consider?
Based on the facts before us, I would urge my colleagues to vote "no" on this proposal.
Jack Teano
Moderate Party
Re: Multipartisan Workers' Bill of Rights
I would like to remind my fellow members of parliament that this proposal is still on the table and encourage their further debate or comments.
If everyone has reached an opinion on this legislation, then let us proceed with the vote.
There is one very crucial point that I want to emphasize, however, that I have been questioned about.
All the rights put forward in this legislation are afforded to Eutopia's full-time wage-earning workers. Employees who are paid a salary, not a wage, are not considered "workers" per se.
Also part-time employees, those who work less than a full work week are also not covered by these benefits.
This is how such laws are drawn up and interpreted in most Western democracies and I had thought this would be clear here, but I assumed incorrectly.
Including high-dollar salaried workers, who are typically management level employees and are exempt from labor laws, was clearly not the intent of this legislation. Nor was the inclusion of part-time employees. All benefits in the legislation have been calculated for those working a full work-day and a full work-week.
I hope this clears up any misundertandings and that we can proceed with consideration of this legislation.
Jack Teano
Moderate Party
I would like to remind my fellow members of parliament that this proposal is still on the table and encourage their further debate or comments.
If everyone has reached an opinion on this legislation, then let us proceed with the vote.
There is one very crucial point that I want to emphasize, however, that I have been questioned about.
All the rights put forward in this legislation are afforded to Eutopia's full-time wage-earning workers. Employees who are paid a salary, not a wage, are not considered "workers" per se.
Also part-time employees, those who work less than a full work week are also not covered by these benefits.
This is how such laws are drawn up and interpreted in most Western democracies and I had thought this would be clear here, but I assumed incorrectly.
Including high-dollar salaried workers, who are typically management level employees and are exempt from labor laws, was clearly not the intent of this legislation. Nor was the inclusion of part-time employees. All benefits in the legislation have been calculated for those working a full work-day and a full work-week.
I hope this clears up any misundertandings and that we can proceed with consideration of this legislation.
Jack Teano
Moderate Party
Mr Speaker (or Mr. Deputy Speaker),
I have at least three legislative proposals to introduce:
However, we have a number of issues already pending. If it appears that debate has ended can you schedule a vote on ...
I think there is still more debate on the anti-terrorism bill, so I don't want to rush it.
Jack Teano
Moderate Party
I have at least three legislative proposals to introduce:
- a proposal concerning restructuring our government and the nomination of candidates of speaker (which we've discussed a bit already)
- a proposal to extend the time period for a commission to review the death penalty (since the commission hasn't even formed yet)
- a proposal to address government spending and the monarchy.
However, we have a number of issues already pending. If it appears that debate has ended can you schedule a vote on ...
- The Workers Bill of Rights
- The university bill
I think there is still more debate on the anti-terrorism bill, so I don't want to rush it.
Jack Teano
Moderate Party
(can we make an OT law about donating each 4th of the month to honoring UD? )
*oh and the deputy speaker can still act as speaker for a few more days. my graduating ceremony is this sat *
) *oh and the deputy speaker can still act as speaker for a few more days. my graduating ceremony is this sat
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Originally posted by jacob-Lundgren
(can we make an OT law about donating each 4th of the month to honoring UD?
*oh and the deputy speaker can still act as speaker for a few more days. my graduating ceremony is this sat
Or give him an honourary (sp?) title/medal/whatever?