Thinking of doing a highly novel playthrough - Islamic Republic of Ming - Unify Islam

[ComaPrison]

I've been thinking that if I push straight into South Asia and the Middle East instead of dealing with East and South East Asia, I can try letting Sunni/Shiite rebels convert my state religion to theirs after I start taking Muslim territory. I can't remember how many provinces they have to convert before I can switch my state religion, but I remember that it's quite a lot of them. At the same time, I'll be taking the two North-Western Oirat provinces that provide the quickest colonizing shortcut to prevent Muscovy from even colonizing a single Siberian province, almost always works. At worst, they manage to grab 1-2 provinces before I can wall them off, but that rarely happens when I'm focused. Also Philippines, Northern Japan, Taiwan, and the open parts of Indonesia, etc. for colonizing. Oh, and of course one colony in Africa for westernizing after I get my ADM level to 20. I'll be grabbing Exploration as my first IG and Expansion as my second IG, and I'll also consider Diplomacy as my 3rd IG. On top of that, I'll take advantage of the faction system's 1500 MP cap in order to stay ahead of the times on ADM, so I can rush for lvl 20 roughly half a decade or more before the "correct" year, and pray to Allah that the Republic government conversion event pops. Last run, I managed to keep my mil tech level equal to the leading countries in Western Europe (France, Spain, GB, Austria, etc.) without westernizing, but allowed my ADM level to fall behind for the sake of pursuing religious IG and innovative IG. This time I'll avoid ADM IGs entirely in order to do with my ADM level that I previously did with my MIL levels. The crummy MTTH on that Republic event means I might have to do 2-3 Islamic Ming runs before I can pull of an Islamic Republic of Ming. While I'm waiting for the Republic event to pop, I'll be taking the provinces I need for Unifying Islam. Also, I'll westernize once my ADM hits level 20.

Anyone have any thoughts, concerns, or suggestions? Is there an easier way to switch Ming to a republic? Or an easier way to switch Ming's state religion to Islam? I'm guessing not.

 

[Novacat]

Would be interesting. I always had a soft spot for Ming, which is why I always vassalize it then keep it around in my asian games.

 

[joelzhl]

The event you are praying to happen has a 183 year mean time to happen. The earliest you can pull off 20 ADM is around 1650ish. Now in my experience, Russia really likes the Expansion idea and they will complete it before you can get to 20 ADM, which means they'll have a very juicy CB on you while you wait for that 183 year MTTH event even if you make it pass level 20 ADM. I don't like those odds.

 

[ComaPrison]

Would be interesting. I always had a soft spot for Ming, which is why I always vassalize it then keep it around in my asian games.

Haha. I'm open to the idea of someone playing as a Shiite/Sunni country so they can colonize a province in Siberia, making it easy for me to convert my religion. I'll give port basing rights and voila.

 

[ComaPrison]

The event you are praying to happen has a 183 year mean time to happen. The earliest you can pull off 20 ADM is around 1650ish. Now in my experience, Russia really likes the Expansion idea and they will complete it before you can get to 20 ADM, which means they'll have a very juicy CB on you while you wait for that 183 year MTTH event even if you make it pass level 20 ADM. I don't like those odds.

I didn't say I would hold off on colonizing until ADM 20. I said I would hold off on westernizing until ADM 20. I'll be picking exploration as my first IG (as said in OP) so I can start colonizing Siberia by the 1450s. I am highly experienced with handling Muscovy, so I'm well aware that they also tend to rush Siberia. 9 times out of 10, I manage to wall them off with my colonies before they can even have their first colony. 1 time out of 10, I am a bit slow and they manage to get 1 or 2 colonies. Also, I'm aware of the 183 MTTH. Hence why I said it might take 2-3 play-throughs to pull off an Islamic Republic of Ming, unless I get lucky. I'm starting to wonder if you bothered reading my OP at all lol.

 

[joelzhl]

I didn't say I would hold off on colonizing until ADM 20. I said I would hold off on westernizing until ADM 20. I'll be picking exploration as my first IG (as said in OP) so I can start colonizing Siberia by the 1450s. I am highly experienced with handling Muscovy, so I'm well aware that they also tend to rush Siberia. 9 times out of 10, I manage to wall them off with my colonies before they can even have their first colony. 1 time out of 10, I am a bit slow and they manage to get 1 or 2 colonies. Also, I'm aware of the 183 MTTH. Hence why I said it might take 2-3 play-throughs to pull off an Islamic Republic of Ming, unless I get lucky. I'm starting to wonder if you bothered reading my OP at all lol.

I did read your thread, and that's why I highlighted your entire plot which is to sit around colonizing for 200 years, then sit another 200 years waiting for 1 event to happen. It doesn't sound too exciting.

 

[ComaPrison]

There's also the conquest of all the provinces required for Unify Islam. I'm sure that will be plenty of fun.

I'm considering skipping South Asia and taking Middle East through Africa's North-East coast. Starting with Adal. The major downside to that is all the provinces end up being overseas instead of connected to my mainland. So I'll have to weigh the pros and cons of that. South Asia is pretty soft, and one of the provinces for Unify Islam is on the western side of South Asia, so it makes the most sense just to go through there and make it all connected.

 

[Novacat]

I did read your thread, and that's why I highlighted your entire plot which is to sit around colonizing for 200 years, then sit another 200 years waiting for 1 event to happen. It doesn't sound too exciting.

What hes trying to do is get Faction bonuses without internal perfection... the only known way to do it at the moment is Scheming Bureaucracy event... there are other methods but I am not revealing them. ;3

 

[VolitionNewlove]

Anyone have any thoughts, concerns, or suggestions? Is there an easier way to switch Ming to a republic? Or an easier way to switch Ming's state religion to Islam? I'm guessing not.

Have found it amusing that Ming cannot become a republic without westernising, despite still getting republican rebels. This leads in to the hilarious situation of a group of peasants and burghers storming the royal palace, slaughtering the aristocracy, and then realising that Ming hasn't westernised yet, which means they instead all have to go back home and have tea.

 

[ComaPrison]

Have found it amusing that Ming cannot become a republic without westernising, despite still getting republican rebels. This leads in to the hilarious situation of a group of peasants and burghers storming the royal palace, slaughtering the aristocracy, and then realising that Ming hasn't westernised yet, which means they instead all have to go back home and have tea.

On the contrary, Ming doesn't need to westernize in order to become a republic. The republic conversion random event only requires ADM level 20 and 200 ADM MP. MTTH 183 years though. I know this because I just became a republic and then westernized AFTERWARDS in my Ming game. After that, I conquered some Shiite territories, sent missionaries to Shiite provinces with 0% monthly conversion rate, and bumped my stability down to 0. Converted to Shiite, and became Defender of the Faith. Next task is the Unify Islam national decision, Conquer Judea, and Conquer Roma (for 2 extra missionaries).