Thinking about an alt hist mod: shattered Europe

[Taylor]

Okay, am back. Let's see,

Looking forward to this! Excited about playing as Scandinavia, not so excited if the capital is Copenhagen. That would be just silly.

Well, if popular demand wants Stockholm as capital, I guess alternate history can be modified a little

Could you please tell on what occasion do Wallachia and Moldova unite, gain Dobruja from the Ottomans, a big part of Transylvania from the Hungarians and lose North Bukowina to Bohemia?

Uhm... I hadn't thought of that yet, I just drew a map. I'm open to suggestions on this front.

I can give ideas about some areas if you need help with it. The most I can do is Lore and Ideas unfortunately

That would be very much appreciated! Can you come up with some alt hist for the balkans?

Afghanistan should be militarisitic and strong and make partisans in occupied land from invaders.

That could be fun, yes. Maybe they could go on some kind of conquering spree of their own (in central Asia or something).

 

[Panzergruppe]

well, if popular demand wants stockholm as capital, i guess alternate history can be modified a little

 

[Taylor]

Does anyone here know Arabic? I'm trying to come up with names for the various states there.

According to google translate and some online transliterator, United Colonies of America is "alemset'emerat alemthedh alameryekyh", which has the unfortunate acronym AAA .

 

[CocoBZ]

My vision of the Romanian region:

-brown dots - Transylvanian cores
-blue dots - Wallachian cores

Now the explanation:
With no diplomatic support from other countries, Wallachia and Moldova couldn't unite. The communist revolution in Hungary would be the perfect opportunity for a Romanian uprising in Transylvania, and with military support from Wallachia and Moldova they would gain independence.

There should be a decision where you can unite all 3 countries into one big Romania, but that should also lead to a DoW from the Ottomans.

 

[Taylor]

My vision of the Romanian region:

-brown dots - Transylvanian cores
-blue dots - Wallachian cores

Now the explanation:
With no diplomatic support from other countries, Wallachia and Moldova couldn't unite. The communist revolution in Hungary would be the perfect opportunity for a Romanian uprising in Transylvania, and with military support from Wallachia and Moldova they would gain independence.

There should be a decision where you can unite all 3 countries into one big Romania, but that should also lead to a DoW from the Ottomans.

I like this idea. A lot. So in your view, should the 3 countries start out allied? Or puppets of the Ottomans? What alliance should they subscribe to, if any (meaning Allies, Axis or Commitern)?

 

[CocoBZ]

They should indeed start in the same alliance. They shouldn't be Ottoman puppets, because, even though they are tributary states, Ottoman control over that region was never that strong.

They shouldn't start in any major alliance - they can't be Comintern, because Hungarians hate them; they can't be Axis, because they hate the Ottomans; there are no tensions between them and the Allies, but once they join them they will get a DoW from the Ottomans.

 

[Taylor]

They should indeed start in the same alliance. They shouldn't be Ottoman puppets, because, even though they are tributary states, Ottoman control over that region was never that strong.

They shouldn't start in any major alliance - they can't be Comintern, because Hungarians hate them; they can't be Axis, because they hate the Ottomans; there are no tensions between them and the Allies, but once they join them they will get a DoW from the Ottomans.

I think it could be interesting if the unification happens when the Ottomans are already at war (with other nations). With the Ottomans busy elsewhere, the Romanian states could see their chance and unite. In game terms, it would also give them a better chance if the Ottoman troops start out somewhat unprepared (because they're busy elsewhere).

 

[CocoBZ]

It's true that the best option is to wait until the Ottomans go to war, then unite and maybe even join the alliance fighting them, but, as I stated above, this unification should be available at any time as a game decision, at the cost of a DoW.

To show that the 3RO (the Romanian states) are vassals of the Ottomans, there should be a periodical event where you must choose whether you pay tribute or not. If you refuse, you start a fresh war.

There shouldn't be any country guaranteeing the independence of the 3RO, because they aren't formally independent.

 

[Taylor]

It's true that the best option is to wait until the Ottomans go to war, then unite and maybe even join the alliance fighting them, but, as I stated above, this unification should be available at any time as a game decision, at the cost of a DoW.

To show that the 3RO (the Romanian states) are vassals of the Ottomans, there should be a periodical event where you must choose whether you pay tribute or not. If you refuse, you start a fresh war.

There shouldn't be any country guaranteeing the independence of the 3RO, because they aren't formally independent.

Sounds good! But shouldn't the Ottomans at least guarantee them? Since they are nominally vassals of them.

 

[Taylor]

Just to show some progress on the Americas, this is what I have now:

North America:

South America:

As you can see, I haven't touched the Caribbean yet. I want to give them to Iberia, in a mix of direct control and puppets.

Also, my naming of countries isn't very imaginative. Does anyone have any ideas?

(Come to think of it, California should be renamed Pacific States or something, since they will control a bunch of provinces in and around the Pacific.)

 

[Dutchemperor]

Miscmods also has Muslim America states, so you could look in localisation or rise your WE in your EU3 game and watch the Americas revolt.

 

[Taylor]

Miscmods also has Muslim America states, so you could look in localisation or rise your WE in your EU3 game and watch the Americas revolt.

Thanks! I'll take a look tonight.

 

[General Mosh]

I think there should be an extra nation in North America, a bastion of democracy and freedom where Canada (the parts not owned by California) and parts of New England are

 

[Sharky1510]

Really cool mod untill now. But im wondering why is half of holland owned by Germany?

 

[Taylor]

Really cool mod untill now. But im wondering why is half of holland owned by Germany?

Because Holland != Netherlands. The Netherlands never united. Just the Duchy of Holland steadily increasing its power. The Eastern half was therefore part of the Holy Roman Empire not only in name, but also in actual politics.

 

[General Mosh]

I hope The United Emirates of America won't be too powerful...

 

[Taylor]

I hope The United Emirates of America won't be too powerful...

They won't be as powerful as OTL USA. Also, they'll have more trouble on their own continent, with the socialist nations south of them.

Status update: I finished dividing all of the continents and big islands. What's left is all those pesky little Pacific islands :wacko:. Also, the Balkans need some revisions (got some good ideas from readers of this threat).

 

[Taylor]

Ok. Finally I finished distributing all the land.

I edited the Balkans:

Romania is split up and will get a decision to unite, sparking war with the Ottomans.

Athens (Caliphate of ~) will get a civil war, where Republican Greece splits off. Iberia gets the choice of supporting the rebels or the Caliphate. If they support the rebels, they support a democratic government (and thus potential ally) but it will cost them Crete.

I don't want the Balkans to be split up too much, hence the Caliphate of Belgrade. There's already plenty of scenarios with a balkanized Balkans. This time around, I want to have a relatively united Balkans.

The Ottomans, somewhere in the late 18th, early 19th century got a French-style Revolution (even though in this timeline, there was no French Revolution!), which they subsequently tried to spread. They failed, and that's why they're not as strong as one might expect from their position in around 1400. From this revolution on, the Ottoman Empire has known various episodes of anti and pro-monarchist uprisings and coups. Currently, they're a sultanate, but the real power lies with the military.

Here's central Asia:

There's Afghanistan, the ruler of which claims to be a descendant of Timur. Then there's Uzbekistan, the people of which claim to be the heirs of the Timurids. So both have a claim to the title of Timurid Empire, and this conflict is going to be resolved one way or another during the time frame. Once the Timurid Empire is reformed, interesting things are going to happen in central Asia...

Siberia is a weak state that's really just a collection of local tribes. During the time frame, its various neighbors (Russia, Pacific States, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Timurids...) are going to simultaneously discover an interest in its lands. They're not really intended to survive the scenario.

Mongolia. What can I say? Of course its going to aspire to restore the greatest empire ever. But it will be a long shot.

The other states have already been discussed I believe.

Tell me what you think!

 

[CocoBZ]

If you really want to keep Dobruja as part of the Romanian states, at least give Sulina to Wallachia, because it was never part of Moldova. However, I still think it should be Ottoman.

 

[unmerged(269727)]

I think transylvania could also join Hungary. In my opinion Wallachia and Moldavia should join into Romania first, then Transylvania should get a decision. It could stay independant, join Romania, or join Hungary. After that I think Romania should have an option to invade Hungary if Transylvania chooses to unite with HU, and vica versa.