Can anyone think of something to do during peacetime, its so... empty. All you can do is sit there at full speed skipping through it.
Things to do during peacetime?
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To me the "Nothing to do during peacetime in EU4" seems a false leitmotiv, usually supported by the CK2 fans.
There are lots of things to do, imho.
Fabricate claims, unlocking ideas and technologies, buildings, convert provinces, recovering stability, getting alliances, diplomatic vassalizations and annexions, claim thrones, completing missions, building navies and armies, colonizing, trade [...]. Actually I often feel that 400 years to proper do all this things plus wars are not enough.
Is CK2 that seems rather empty to me, acually.
Wars, Dinasties..but economy? (Just kidding.. am I?)
There are lots of things to do, imho.
Fabricate claims, unlocking ideas and technologies, buildings, convert provinces, recovering stability, getting alliances, diplomatic vassalizations and annexions, claim thrones, completing missions, building navies and armies, colonizing, trade [...]. Actually I often feel that 400 years to proper do all this things plus wars are not enough.
Is CK2 that seems rather empty to me, acually.
Wars, Dinasties..but economy? (Just kidding.. am I?)
I sit in my chair and scheme and plan my world domination. Looking at my future opponents and watch them die in miserable wars. Waiting for my moment to strike them down. Laughing and scratching my cat.
I enjoy peace time more than warfare.
But maybe it depends on the nation you're playing.
If it's a trading nation, I like tradewars more than actual ones.
But maybe it depends on the nation you're playing.
If it's a trading nation, I like tradewars more than actual ones.
Fabricate claims, unlocking ideas and technologies, buildings, convert provinces, recovering stability, getting alliances, diplomatic vassalizations and annexions, claim thrones, completing missions, building navies and armies, colonizing, trade [...]. Actually I often feel that 400 years to proper do all this things plus wars are not enough.
Let's face it: 90% of these activities are "click button and wait 1-10 years" or the same without the "wait 1-10 years" aspect and completing missions mostly requires warfare. I agree with the OP, while I do enjoy the game a lot in general, the lack of meaningful actions in peace time is galling - it becomes very apparent if you're unlucky with monarch deaths and sit in a lot of regency councils (personal record is close to 100 years in total as the Ottomans ...).
What I do in peacetime could be summed up as "preparing for the next war".
Recovering manpower/money (including strengthening these through buildings, etc)
Paying back loans.
Replenishing and/or growing my army/navy.
Integrating new territory.
etc.
But then my actions during war can also be summed up as "preparing for the next peace".
Moving armies and navies around to defeat enemies and siege provinces, to gain warscore so I can make peace.
I enjoy both these aspects, hence I enjoy the game.
Sure, peacetime actions typically occur over a longer timespan, but that's why we have variable speed.
Recovering manpower/money (including strengthening these through buildings, etc)
Paying back loans.
Replenishing and/or growing my army/navy.
Integrating new territory.
etc.
But then my actions during war can also be summed up as "preparing for the next peace".
Moving armies and navies around to defeat enemies and siege provinces, to gain warscore so I can make peace.
I enjoy both these aspects, hence I enjoy the game.
Sure, peacetime actions typically occur over a longer timespan, but that's why we have variable speed.
I personally prefer peace to war, I prefer expansion by diplomacy such as offering vassalisation then annexing. However I think this is more to do with me hating being in war due to the overall effect it has on your country. I guess in the end what your preference is just depends on your play style and mine is a diplomacy / colonisation play style (however this does also obviously depend on what country your playing, as my current game is as Poland and I spent the first 50 years almost constantly at war.
Sometimes you need war in this game in order to have peace. Si vis pace, para bellum!
For example as Wallachia you cannot afford to be peaceful the first 100 or so years since the Ottomans have a mission to vassalize you and your other neighbors don't really mind taking your lands (they are all of a different religion so don't like you very much).
Sure, as Portugal you can probably afford to ignore everyone
B..b..b..but when do I annex vassals?
Sign Peace, start annexing, go to war again - problem solved
Unless you run into Manpower probs (and you shouldn't if you pick your wars well), you can be at war for most of the game. You just cant take territory every war.
that said, in peace time im planning my next war....building regiments, positioning fleets, managing trade, building buildings, shifting alliences.
It is alot less exciting than war for sure, but what else can the devs do to make it not a click/ wait exercise- that's basically what the game is! Clicking little elements to make small changes in a grand overarching strategy.
that said, in peace time im planning my next war....building regiments, positioning fleets, managing trade, building buildings, shifting alliences.
It is alot less exciting than war for sure, but what else can the devs do to make it not a click/ wait exercise- that's basically what the game is! Clicking little elements to make small changes in a grand overarching strategy.
Some of the harder achievements make avoiding tanking manpower a bit less likely. I certainly did tank it to beat England with Munster en route to almost completing luck of Irish (I'll have it later today when I get the chance). Usually you want to swap into mercs to stay above 25% (no peasant's wars), but in that case I needed all the resources I had available to make it doable against England w/o war of roses. Munster just doesn't have the cash to drop gobs of mercs in the 1400's, and 50+ loans are even worse than manpower depletion + waiting a while before war again IMO.
As for what to do in peacetime, the problem is that the decisions have less urgency. Mostly peacetime is time to plan, because reaching your diplomatic/claim goals doesn't take any real decision-making on the fly like war against competent opposition can. And yes, one would want to spend as little time there as possible typically.
The same thing I do in other Paradox games, I like to AI watch. Really interesting things are happening in the wider world all the time that you don't notice when you're immersed in your own wars. I use peace time to rebuild, consolidate, and mostly to assess the shifting balance of power so I can adjust my diplomatic and military strategies accordingly.
It really depends. As a European nation I find peace time extremely boring.
1. In my current QQ --> Persia game I rely heavily on diplo-annexing and then I have to convert all these provinces to Shiite (I'm the only Shiite nation in the game).
2. When i was still QQ I used the peace time to kill the starting heir because he really sucks and you can only do that after being a certain amount of years at peace.
3. I constantly have to improve relations.
4. I recover my manpower. Even though I could have a maximum of 150k manpower it's usually more around 10-30k. So after a war I have to recover - especially against the Ottomans I lose many men.
5. I look for my next target
6. I take a look at what's going on in the rest of the world. It's quite entertaining to see Ulm conquering Bavaria and Brabant turning into a regional power.
1. In my current QQ --> Persia game I rely heavily on diplo-annexing and then I have to convert all these provinces to Shiite (I'm the only Shiite nation in the game).
2. When i was still QQ I used the peace time to kill the starting heir because he really sucks and you can only do that after being a certain amount of years at peace.
3. I constantly have to improve relations.
4. I recover my manpower. Even though I could have a maximum of 150k manpower it's usually more around 10-30k. So after a war I have to recover - especially against the Ottomans I lose many men.
5. I look for my next target
6. I take a look at what's going on in the rest of the world. It's quite entertaining to see Ulm conquering Bavaria and Brabant turning into a regional power.
Unless they got religious rebel'd or killed, Bahmanis, Gujarat, and Kashmir are all Shiite also, and I'm assuming you killed Oman of course
. Gujarat actually makes something of itself on occasion as an AI.
I read the news or watch youtube on my phone during peacetime.
No, seriously, I like the way you can play EU4 without it requiring your full focus and attention at all times, which is exactly what I want sometimes.
No, seriously, I like the way you can play EU4 without it requiring your full focus and attention at all times, which is exactly what I want sometimes.
Well of course these nations existed at some point but I already conquered most India. It's 1625 in my game. Gujarat was the regional power in India before being almost completely annexed by a blobbing Malwa. Eventually, I vassalized Gujarat and feeded them all their provinces backUnless they got religious rebel'd or killed, Bahmanis, Gujarat, and Kashmir are all Shiite also, and I'm assuming you killed Oman of course