Things that Never Happen in HoI4 (But did so in history)

[Cheesecakeczar]

Just a sort of fun thread of all the different historical events and developments that actually did occur during the Second World War, but are basically impossible in HoI4. It may be due to how the game is designed, or that the AI is simply unwilling to do something without a focus telling it specifically to do so. Of course, many of these will be assuming a singleplayer game without much player intervention.

Here are a few things I've never seen happen, or are entirely impossible:

-Finnish Continuation War
-Stalemate in China
-Anyone south of the USA joining the Allies
-Italian armistice after losing Sicily, Italian Civil War, etc.
-Japan surrendering without mainland invasion (fixed next DLC)
-Case Anton (fixed next DLC), Battle of Madagascar, and most things Vichy
-Anglo-Iraqi War
-Anglo-Soviet Invasion of Iran
-Annexation of Alsace-Lorraine by Germany
-Occupation of Iceland/Faroe Islands, or anything related to Denmark's overseas territories
-Most historical foreign volunteers or soldiers in exile (Czechs, Poles, etc.)

I'd hope to see the developers consider these things, especially with the new mission/decision system, as well as in any future DLC.

 

[Saint Gwynllyw]

-Romania/Italy switching sides during the conflict (separate treaties outside of the faction leader should be possible)
-Condor legion in Spain ( you cant send plane volunteers)
-Frozen lakes + Rivers - Critical feature to the Eastern Front
-Fleshed out Partisan mechanics ( essential to Soviet and Yugoslavian war experience)

 

[Cheesecakeczar]

-Condor legion in Spain ( you cant send plane volunteers)

In my recent Soviet game, it kind of drove me crazy that my volunteers couldn't be given air superiority or close-air support.

-Fleshed out Partisan mechanics ( essential to Soviet and Yugoslavian war experience)

This is kind of a big deal. Yugoslav DLC didn't do anything for communist or chetnik partisans. Reminded me of another one, though:

-Independent State of Croatia existing (Apparently Germany has a focus for it, but I've never been able to use it)

 

[FOARP]

The Soviet invasion of Poland simultaneous with the German attack is something that has never happened, indeed is impossible without the USSR going to war with the Allies, in any of the HOI titles going back 16 years. And people have complained about that for just as long.

 

[Saint Gwynllyw]

The Soviet invasion of Poland simultaneous with the German attack is something that has never happened, indeed is impossible without the USSR going to war with the Allies, in any of the HOI titles going back 16 years. And people have complained about that for just as long.

Yeah it could easily be covered with a decision for the UK when it happens.

Declare War on Germany, Declare War on Both, Do nothing

 

[panzeroo]

The Soviet invasion of Poland simultaneous with the German attack is something that has never happened, indeed is impossible without the USSR going to war with the Allies, in any of the HOI titles going back 16 years. And people have complained about that for just as long.

we set it up perfectly in HOI3 BICE. The soviets invaded Poland from the east after a trigger during the german attack on Poland in the allies. The soviets dowed Poland and not the allies. It will probably be possible to set this up easily in HOI IV BICE once 1.5 is out and we can use the decisions game mechanic.

 

[Searry]

-Multi-Role-Fighters doing the biggest impact in the whole air war

 

[JackAlNXT]

- Boris III and Hristo Lukov not dying in 1943.

 

[Reinner]

The reintegration of Alsace-Lorraine is coming for both nazi and imperial Germany, in latest stream you can see they added focuses for it aswell as Operation Tennenbaum.

This is kind of a big deal. Yugoslav DLC didn't do anything for communist or chetnik partisans. Reminded me of another one, though:

-Independent State of Croatia existing (Apparently Germany has a focus for it, but I've never been able to use it)

Yugoslavia is a mess at the moment, the annexation focuses by Germany are basically the same as annexation of Czechs. I know DoD tried to add some of the stuff like the coup but a lot of stuff at the moment is bugged and not handled properly. On most historical games Britain always declares war on Yugo if they decide to remain neutral (which makes no sense) and worst part is they auto-join Axis even if coup happens which is the main reason why the country got invaded in reality. To finish with borders, Croatia is missing Bosnia if they get spawned during the invasion and Slovenia needs to get properly split between Germany, Italy and Hungary.

When it comes to partisans i hope they will have a bigger role in the future, Yugoslavia was considered to have the most effective ressistance in Europe and if we will talk about missing events, we need Warsaw Uprising.

 

[FOARP]

Yugoslavia is a mess at the moment, the annexation focuses by Germany are basically the same as annexation of Czechs. I know DoD tried to add some of the stuff like the coup but a lot of stuff at the moment is bugged and not handled properly. On most historical games Britain always declares war on Yugo if they decide to remain neutral (which makes no sense) and worst part is they auto-join Axis even if coup happens which is the main reason why the country got invaded in reality. To finish with borders, Croatia is missing Bosnia if they get spawned during the invasion and Slovenia needs to get properly split between Germany, Italy and Hungary.

When it comes to partisans i hope they will have a bigger role in the future, Yugoslavia was considered to have the most effective ressistance in Europe and if we will talk about missing events, we need Warsaw Uprising.

Serbia could also use some additional content (a Chetnik flag is currently used for fascist Serbia... just wrong when a German puppet Serbia did actually exist historically that didn't use that flag). Same goes for Montenegro.

The Warsaw uprising not occuring is just a crying shame. HOI2 and HOI3 both tried to model it with events, but in neither case did it work well.

 

[Warzkinsoto]

I would love to see some Polish, Czech or France goverments on exile, it was in some version of HoI2 that they have like 1 province in UK and can manage troops. Ofcourse they wouldn't do much but it will be little boost for UK and great flavor conent.

 

[EltharionDrax]

I would love to see some Polish, Czech or France goverments on exile, it was in some version of HoI2 that they have like 1 province in UK and can manage troops. Ofcourse they wouldn't do much but it will be little boost for UK and great flavor conent.

And these tie in with the lack of partisan/resistance-systems in the game, as well.

 

[amocpower]

-Occupation of Iceland/Faroe Islands, or anything related to Denmark's overseas territories

USA have NF to get Iceland and Greenland.

 

[DicRoNero]

Just a sort of fun thread of all the different historical events and developments that actually did occur during the Second World War, but are basically impossible in HoI4. It may be due to how the game is designed...

Not having a hind-sight is easily my #1 thing. I know in advance what to research and how that would affect my war machine. Not entirely the case historically.

#2 would be probably a failed anti-Hitler coup pop-up saying Gestapo arrested traitors - namely Beck - and then... seeing him happily sit in his Chief of Staff office as if nothing had happened. Insanely dumb.

 

[Aeon221]

-Condor legion in Spain ( you cant send plane volunteers)

You can lend lease planes and you get shitloads of air experience for doing so. I make a point of lend leasing hundreds of elderly planes to Spain and China whenever I'm playing a country that can do it. The air XP involved enables massive improvements through variants to planes.

 

[FOARP]

You can lend lease planes and you get shitloads of air experience for doing so. I make a point of lend leasing hundreds of elderly planes to Spain and China whenever I'm playing a country that can do it. The air XP involved enables massive improvements through variants to planes.

That is, though, still not the same as having air-volunteers that you can actually control and use.

 

[DukeDayve]

-Frozen lakes + Rivers - Critical feature to the Eastern Front

In my very first game as Finland, when placing my defensive line in anticipation of the Soviet attack in 1940, I thought that it was a shame all those lakes would freeze over in winter and allow enemy infantry to march over them because otherwise I could use the lakes as natural barriers to shorten my line. So I put my line in front or behind those lakes. I felt certain that such a huge strategic feature of WW2 would definitely be in the game that I didn't even bother to check.

Was quite a disappointment when I found out it wasn't.

 

[Duke_Dave]

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That is, though, still not the same as having air-volunteers that you can actually control and use.

air volunteers are coming next DLC/Patch.
The denmark and Middle East Stuff will come with their respective DLCs.
I presume government in exile mechanics will come eventually.

 

[Daelyn75]

The Soviet invasion of Poland simultaneous with the German attack is something that has never happened, indeed is impossible without the USSR going to war with the Allies, in any of the HOI titles going back 16 years. And people have complained about that for just as long.

I believe that it was successfully done in Darkest Hour was it not? I know, it's not from Paradox but I remember thinking it was pretty cool for them to add that into the game.

 

[EltharionDrax]

If the Continuation War is a rare beast, the Lapland War is an extinct species. In general, the game poorly simulates the Realpolitik of war: in WW2 countries rarely fought to the bitter end and when the peace terms arrived, more often than not they included the demand to switch sides and keep fighting your previous allies.