Things revealed about 1.20 from the MP (Tributary system confirmed; can ask for monarch points!!!)

[SolSys]

You wouldn't happen to remember the time stamp for these?

Updated the post with time stamps for all.

 

[Hessian Mercenary]

At 1:52:15 Johan says the edict costs money, so could be either a maintenance or an one-time implementation cost

 

[Koramei]

2. [1:53:15] Japan can make tributaries too.

edit: watching the stream now myself, one thing I notice: Manchu is formable now while still being a tributary of the Ming. Wonder if they just took the "not be a subject" requirement out of the decision, or if being a tributary doesn't count as a subject for that now.

 

[SolSys]

edit: watching the stream now myself, one thing I notice: Manchu is formable now while still being a tributary of the Ming. Wonder if they just took the "not be a subject" requirement out of the decision, or if being a tributary doesn't count as a subject for that now.

Tributaries are subjects - they have LD.

 

[Trin Tragula]

Tributaries have their own diplomacy in many ways and so many of the old is_subject = no checks are now "is_free_or_tributary" checks

 

[Mingmung]

Ming still has factions? Meh.

 

[Me_]

1. [1:20:00] Ming still has access to factions and a new scroll icon alert [for edicts?].

Strange, it wasn't there in the first session.

2. [1:53:15] Japan can make tributaries too.

I wonder what the actual limitation for having tributaries will be. Can everyone have them? Only Asian nations? Only nations that fulfill an as-of-yet-unknown requirement?

 

[bitmapmedivh]

Updated the post with time stamps for all.

Thanks!

 

[riadach]

Strange, it wasn't there in the first session.

I wonder what the actual limitation for having tributaries will be. Can everyone have them? Only Asian nations? Only nations that fulfill an as-of-yet-unknown requirement?

I got the impression it was Empire tier and Japan.

 

[Gratak]

I got the impression it was Empire tier and Japan.

A "united" Japan is an empire.

 

[riadach]

A "united" Japan is an empire.

But Japan was able to receive tribute from Apache despite not being a united Empire.

 

[Bayes]

My current bets are for:
* CK2 - late February
* EU4 - late March
* HoI4 - June
* Stellaris - April

Edit: Apparently, there would also be some talk on Skylines as well as Werewolf at GDC 2017.

Nah I refuse to believe that! Gotta come earlier ... atleast stellaris. Havent even had a proper dlc yet. Im hoping eu4 will come earlier in march personally or maybe even late febuary.

 

[riadach]

Wiz also claimed that Ming were developing his provinces in Manchu, so it seems that lieges can do that to tributaries as well.

 

[Gratak]

But Japan was able to receive tribute from Apache despite not being a united Empire.

Are you sure that they are not empire rank? They changed stuff there. And even with the old system, you can get empire rank while other daimyos still exist as long as you have 15 provinces and at least one daimyo as vassal.

 

[riadach]

Are you sure that they are not empire rank? They changed stuff there. And even with the old system, you can get empire rank while other daimyos still exist as long as you have 15 provinces and at least one daimyo as vassal.

They checked Japan's rank subsequently and it was kingdom rank.

 

[Voigt]

Since they said themselfes it would be because Japan is an Empire, it could be a bug.

 

[Metallord]

Oh god. Not the cascading wars again D:

Haha yah that was crazy af, start war with opm, Find yourself in a war with half off europe all off a sudden .

 

[Metallord]

Wiz also claimed that Ming were developing his provinces in Manchu, so it seems that lieges can do that to tributaries as well.

Yah he did say that. I wasnt sure if he meant currently owned provinces or futurly owned provinces though lol.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Daimyo is a new type of subject, different from a vassal and the bonuses of Shogunate government changed (I suspect that Daimyos don't cost diplomacy slot).
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In the MP this week it was revealed that there's a new "independent daymio" government type for independent daymios. Can't refind it in the stream though to check what it's bonuses are. But IIRC it was comparable to the Shogunate.

 

[Gratak]

In the MP this week it was revealed that there's a new "independent daymio" government type for independent daymios. Can't refind it in the stream though to check what it's bonuses are. But IIRC it was comparable to the Shogunate.

youtube: #4 ~7:25