Things I have learned while playing EU3

[MrQwerty]

Hello. This is a spinoff from the Victoria 2 forum, where occurances and scenarios in the game are interpreted as "historial fact". Allow me to start:

Bohemia, before being absorbed by the Habsburg Monarchy in the early 15th century, is best known for it's enormous gains off of the Golden Horde, which historians often define as, but not restricted to the lands of the Crimea, Nzihny Novgorod, western Ukraine, and the Zaporozhyne.

It was completely meaningless for the Europeans to extend any offers of alliance or vassalization to the Native American nations, for their troops would be useless against rival European powers or even rebels. Indeed, it seems that their presence on the land was only temporary, where it can more easily be gained by another civilization [:sad:].

Russia, formed by the Grand Principality of Muscowy and unable to expand eastward due to Qing interference, instead expanded southward, where it had over the course of several wars claimed Persian land well into modern-day Iran [occured during one of my D&T games].

 

[Ruanek]

Being Catholic allowed rulers to get away with taking more land faster, with the boost even going so far as to affect opinions of non-Catholic nations.

In an attempt to weaken enemies, large European nations would often release nations they really didn't care about to make their opponents smaller.

Castille, and other nations that at times held the title "Defender of the Faith" (it wasn't a title given to an English king, who would think that?), would use the power to help nations across the continent that they cared little for.

The Ottomans were extremely unsuccessful.

Every nation in Europe with a port had a large interest in colonization.

Nations cared little for contiguous blocks of land, instead often choosing to take small holdings here and there.

 

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Every single last ruler is a dirty double crossing backstabber! Damn you Bohemia, I trusted you!

 

[ind2bc]

If a ruler was amazing he tended to die unless he held many thrones then he never dies

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

In an attempt to weaken enemies, large European nations would often release nations they really didn't care about to make their opponents smaller.

Poland and Czechoslovakia were force released after WWI, which nobody really cared about.

Every nation in Europe with a port had a large interest in colonization.

Not necessarily true in game. And IRL, even small countries that nobody cared about had colonies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Congo

Nations cared little for contiguous blocks of land, instead often choosing to take small holdings here and there.

Sounds like Prussia, Austria, and the UK.

 

[ind2bc]

Poland and Czechoslovakia were force released after WWI, which nobody really cared about.

Not necessarily true in game. And IRL, even small countries that nobody cared about had colonies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Congo

Sounds like Prussia, Austria, and the UK.

You do not know your history the Austria-hungarian empire broke up as well as poland and the baltic states declared independence the treaty of Versailles just recognized these new nations who had been trying to gain independence for a long time

 

[Ruanek]

Poland and Czechoslovakia were force released after WWI, which nobody really cared about.

Yes, but that's after the EU3 timeframe. Historically it didn't really happen during this time period. Nations were generally more interested in expanding than weakening enemies.

Not necessarily true in game. And IRL, even small countries that nobody cared about had colonies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Congo

Well, this is a thread about possibilities. I've seen North/South America with tons of small colonial empires made by Italian states, or example. They seem to colonize fairly often. Belgium is a bit of an exception historically, and that's after EU3's time period anyway.

Sounds like Prussia, Austria, and the UK.

But it's much worse here. Expansion in real life, when it wasn't contiguous, was generally colonization of large chunks of land (the AI scatters colonies all over) or related to HRE politics. It wasn't snaking into foreign regions or having random provinces scattered across Europe.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

You do not know your history the Austria-hungarian empire broke up as well as poland and the baltic states declared independence the treaty of Versailles just recognized these new nations who had been trying to gain independence for a long time

Sure... the allies (notably President Wilson) did not pressure Austria to yield to the doctrines of "self-determination" in letting the slavs declare independence. They also played no part in creating Poland out of the ashes of Russia, Austria, and Germany.

 

[ind2bc]

of course that was wilsons point but by the end of the war the central powers were falling apart and the empires didn't even sign the peace treaties as i'm sure you know and they were forced to concede the territory to the nations not release the nations

 

[yqt1001]

North Africa is so valuable Castille went for it over the New World.

Europe was running in fear at the second Mongol invasion of the Balkans and Russia in the 15th century.

Brazil is Portuguese for Africa.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

of course that was wilsons point but by the end of the war the central powers were falling apart and the empires didn't even sign the peace treaties as i'm sure you know and they were forced to concede the territory to the nations not release the nations

The allies practically engineered the independence of these nations.

 

[ind2bc]

The allies practically engineered the independence of these nations.

I will give that without the peace treaties and the recognition by the allies the soviets probably would have steam rolled through them after they gained the upper hand in the twenties

 

[Ruanek]

I will give that without the peace treaties and the recognition by the allies the soviets probably would have steam rolled through them after they gained the upper hand in the twenties

"Conceding territory to" these nations basically means they released them. Had no territory been conceded in the wars, the central powers likely would have maintained control of the areas. It would certainly change soviet history, though.

 

[mejla]

The allies practically engineered the independence of these nations.

or rather supported the right representatives of those nations who actually engineered it.
plus it kinda fitted their interests. after all destroying austria+weakening germany+russia already colapsed is a WINWIN button

 

[Uebergold]

General Iwanow unified Russia within only 9 years, despite being surrounded by a bunch of enemies like Golden Horde, Novgorod and several Rus Prinicipalities. Ironically he was of Polish descend and these early Russian Expansions later led to the destruction of his homeland.

A man named D.D.R. Jacobus, probably of scottish heritage founded the dreaded Ryukyu Horde in modern-day Manchuria. After inheriting the throne of China his near endless Tumen ravaged whole Asia and afterwards even the whole world.

Chronicler, a man who modestly claimed to be son of god inherited the throne of many countries though it is not entirely sure how he achieved that. His chronicles remain still vague although it seems to be pretty certain that he conquered large parts of Northern Africa with only 3.000 men.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

General Iwanow unified Russia within only 9 years, despite being surrounded by a bunch of enemies like Golden Horde, Novgorod and several Rus Prinicipalities. Ironically he was of Polish descend and these early Russian Expansions later led to the destruction of his homeland.

Nothing new. The real Poland suffered the same fate.

Chronicler, a man who modestly claimed to be son of god inherited the throne of many countries though it is not entirely sure how he achieved that. His chronicles remain still vague although it seems to be pretty certain that he conquered large parts of Northern Africa with only 3.000 men.

He also engineered an English surprise attack on the Byzantine Empire and conquered the Ottoman Turks with a meager force of 10000 men.

A man named D.D.R. Jacobus, probably of scottish heritage founded the dreaded Ryukyu Horde in modern-day Manchuria. After inheriting the throne of China his near endless Tumen ravaged whole Asia and afterwards even the whole world.

 

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Despite denmark being weak and small country, it attacked powerfull teutonic order, allied with great russian power, and despite their powerfull fleet, they managed to be defeated at their own land, by muscowy, led by the great general, who soon quickly unified russia under one banner.

 

[Nerga]

Despite being more wealthy and technologically advanced than the Euroepans in 1399, the Muslims were shown to be completely inept in all matters concerning warfare, trade, and technological development. To such an embarassing degree that by 1420 even the smallest and poorest european counts or city states could demolish any muslim nation. Except Oman, who were shown to be especially shrewd traders.

Despite no canned goods or modern preservatives the Europeans were easily able to project their power across oceans and seas, even sending massive armies to the new world with little to no trouble by 1500.

After being conquered by the golden horde, the duchies and tsardoms of Russia spent the next 400 years rebelling from whoever controlled them, often restablishing themselves in locations geographically hundreds of kilometers away from where they were originally.

Although it would not seem to be to a casual observer, some of the most valuable land at the time was in Finland or the far northern reaches of Norway. This is evidenced by the great lengths England, Portugal, Burgundy and other great powers at the time went to hold land in these seemingly out of the way territories.

Despite being geographically adjacent to the Germans, all slavic peoples seemed to be completely incapable to technological advancement at the same rate as western Europeans.

 

[gela1212]

The kings of Ulm were actually in control of much of European politics up until the early 19th century.

 

[ind2bc]

the kings of ulm were actually in control of much of european politics up until the early 19th century.

ulm!!!