Things from the new stream

[Space Ranger]

Norse have unique mechanics tied to them as well as a bunch of events (as someone above pointed out, blots and runes for example). The fact that other pagans "might" get SOME of them through Reformation is a weak argument at best.

Blots are pagan feasts, almost all pagans have them. Runestones are not religious future, its cultural. That guy did not wrote anything about doctrines, he wrote about basic futures that are not affected by religion reformation.

Zun and Bon have unique feautures?

Hermetics: half the world including Chinese can get in.
Polygamy: Muslims have it.
Sky burial: Not unique.
All Indian religions have Gurus.

Indians, Muslims and Chinese are Pagans? Thats new to me... Or maybe Indians, Muslims and Chinese can be reformed? I dont think i have read anything like that in anounce or development diaries...

Nothing about Zunists or Bon is really exclusive to them save from "monastic feudal" and consorts (shared with Africans).

Monastic feudal isnt exclusive either if you count Iqta. But it doesnt matter anything thou, because its not the point. The point is that Norse unlike other looses more during reformation unless unique doctine is taken.

Norse were the top pagan religion ever since ToG came out, without any other form of paganism to compete.
And now that the other pagan religions are brought on par (not better, they just finally catch up), of course you have some people crying.

1+1=2=people crying. Weird logic.

And well...if the Blot's "just a feast", ignoring the bonuses, gameplay and flavour it gives, then the Hermetic society is also just a few events and a couple artifacts that sit in your treasury...

The only difference between Blot and other pagan feasts is that it is done once in 10 years and you can sacrifice people during it for piety. Comparing Blot to Hermetic society is rather strange as those two are on completely different levels of usefulness. And if you go for Peaceful Norse your Blots suddenly become much less unique.

 

[Knotz]

Rest keeps access to patron gods, ancestor worship, male concubines and Sky Burial.

Source?

 

[Space Ranger]

Source?

Developer diaries.

 

[Knuf Wons]

I personally am hyped to be able to name my kick-butt swords

 

[J.B.]

New de jure setup for Russia and the Steppes:

Empires:

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Kingdoms:

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Duchies:
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I am not seeing a Duchy of Dalmatia, anymore. Will the title of Dalmatia still exist, perhaps as a titular title? I really like the coat of arms, with the three golden lions, around the blue.

 

[SkyGreen24]

I am not seeing a Duchy of Dalmatia, anymore. Will the title of Dalmatia still exist, perhaps as a titular title? I really like the coat of arms, with the three golden lions, around the blue.

I think it got renamed or replaced with Hum for some reason (maybe it's a localized name, not sure)

 

[uyg333]

It is of course not a new stream, but you can see a lot of interesting features like the 1220 start date. Antioch has become a kingdom, likely called principality, just like Epirus. And last but not least the Nicene Empire.

 

[uyg333]

This is also a nice addition.

 

[Vityviktor]

It is of course not a new stream, but you can see a lot of interesting features like the 1220 start date. Antioch has become a kingdom, likely called principality, just like Epirus. And last but not least the Nicene Empire.

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I guess the Nicene Empire (and maybe Epirus?) would be able to restore Byzantium. And all these new kingdoms... I want to play that start date so bad.

 

[Gurluas]

I'm really excited for this DLC.
Honestly I only have two wishes left.

1. Possible Japanese takeover of China (So we get a Japanese culture for ruler designer, ofc the takeover would only happen if you're playing with fantasy elements. It'd work like the Jurchen takeover.)
2. Supernatural fox spirits masquerading as characters. Essentially secret foxes, because foxes are better than bears...and we need some Asian supernatural events.

This DLC brought almost everything else I wanted into the game.

 

[Furleppe]

I guess the Nicene Empire (and maybe Epirus?) would be able to restore Byzantium. And all these new kingdoms... I want to play that start date so bad.

You will be able to do so even in earlier start dates. Play as Byzantium, lose the 4h Crusade and then you can play as successor state and restore the imperium once again.

 

[liredarion]

Is the Nicene Empire a titular title created with the 4th crusade in each game or a kind of auto created title ,like when nomads are established in a county ? If for example , the byzantine empire destroyed by the 4th crusade doesn't owns the lands of the Nicene Empire , what could happen ?

 

[Ksiendzu]

I wonder what culture will have rulers of Hellas (why not Athens?) and Achaia. Now, in 1204 the duchies start witch greek rulers, who are replaced some time later.

EDIT: Why Trebizond is not an Empire when Nicea is?

 

[Byzantium2000]

Guys all the info you need right here https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/1112235 dev diary Venetian guile.
Glad they decided to make Nicaea a independent empire and not still byzantium. Bulgaria and Serbia should also be able to reform the empire in my opinion Bulgaria just like Epirus tried and failed. I also hope those Ghilmans have been nerfed or 10 years top Armenia, Antioch and Georgia will be part of Rum.

Still what the heck snow crystal you give the byzantine successor states more historically accurate borders but not byzantium in 1066 or 1337. Give Gregory Tao like he deserves.

 

[Reavici]

Guys all the info you need right here https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/1112235 dev diary Venetian guile.
Glad they decided to make Nicaea a independent empire and not still byzantium. Bulgaria and Serbia should also be able to reform the empire in my opinion Bulgaria just like Epirus tried and failed. I also hope those ghilmans have been nerfed or 10 years top Armenia, Antioch and Georgia will be part of rum.

Still what the heck snow crystal you give the byzantine successor states more historically accurate borders but not byzantium in 1066 or 1337. Give Gregory Tao like he deserves.

Not only Tao but also Theodosipolis (Karin) and Ani. Those regions together were making part of the theme of Iberia aka province of Iberia.

 

[liredarion]

Guys all the info you need right here https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/1112235 dev diary Venetian guile.
Glad they decided to make Nicaea a independent empire and not still byzantium. Bulgaria and Serbia should also be able to reform the empire in my opinion Bulgaria just like Epirus tried and failed. I also hope those Ghilmans have been nerfed or 10 years top Armenia, Antioch and Georgia will be part of Rum.

Still what the heck snow crystal you give the byzantine successor states more historically accurate borders but not byzantium in 1066 or 1337. Give Gregory Tao like he deserves.

I've already seen that DD a long time ago but there is a part i still don't understand :
"First of, the Byzantine Empire will be no more. The old Emperor will relocate to any land outside of Thrace, if they had any, and get a temporary titular Empire title. The winner of the Crusade will receive the Latin Empire, taking the lands of Thrace, and a special bloodline."

That's why i ask : is the Nicene empire the only titular empire title and what if the byzantine empire don't owns the
Nicene empire territories when the crusade occurs ? Is the titular empire still the Nicene empire or is it something else ?

 

[Thure]

I've already seen that DD a long time ago but there is a part i still don't understand :
"First of, the Byzantine Empire will be no more. The old Emperor will relocate to any land outside of Thrace, if they had any, and get a temporary titular Empire title. The winner of the Crusade will receive the Latin Empire, taking the lands of Thrace, and a special bloodline."

That's why i ask : is the Nicene empire the only titular empire title and what if the byzantine empire don't owns the
Nicene empire territories when the crusade occurs ? Is the titular empire still the Nicene empire or is it something else ?

"The old Emperor will relocate to any land outside of Thrace"
He will take a random province as capital. So if he didn't control Nicaea he could take... Rhodes. And would form the Rhodian Empire.

 

[luanmameili[LM]]

Possible Japanese takeover of China (So we get a Japanese culture for ruler designer, ofc the takeover would only happen if you're playing with fantasy elements. It'd work like the Jurchen takeover.)

Sorry, but it is absolutely impossible.
もうしわけございません、でもそれはぜったいにむりです。

 

[LeSingeAffame]

Sorry, but it is absolutely impossible.
もうしわけございません、でもそれはぜったいにむりです。

I'm nearly sure that no empire in Europe could have defeated China when it's in the middle of a stable or Golden Age period, and yet it can happen in game

 

[Guthix]

I'm nearly sure that no empire in Europe could have defeated China when it's in the middle of a stable or Golden Age period, and yet it can happen in game

You are being downvoted, but we are talking about the most stable empire on the planet with the highest population on the planet.

Like, it would require an impossible alliance between Rome at its peak and the Persian Empire.